A7s oop

villain is 22/18/1.8 AF with 13.5% 3-bet over 92 hands

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem

Stacks:
UTG Hero ($29.48)
UTG+1 iSchuey ($61.99)
CO ZEntwistle ($35.62)
BTN Haivanka ($28.83)
SB ToHighToCare ($26.86)
BB zackg33 ($35.68)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is UTG :7d: :ad:
Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, Haivanka calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: :ac: :9s: :jh: ($2.35, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, Haivanka calls $1.50

Turn: :2c: ($5.35, 2 players)
Hero bets $3.25, Haivanka calls $3.25

River: :ah: ($11.85, 2 players)
Hero ($23.73)?

Not sure he ever calls with worse here since his range on the river is basically aces, missed draws, random shit that didn't want to fold but prob folds to another bet (like KJ)

Consider a c/c line with tpwk oop, maybe starting on the turn, to keep his range wide. Betting three streets is not gonna be good. I like a c/c on the river (unless he jams of course), he bluffs with worse more often than he calls with worse.

I'm going to play devils advocate and say fold pre. If you dont want to put money in when when you hit the A, then why play it?
I would c/c a 1/2 pot bet. I doubt he's calling or betting river w/ less

Just b/f like 1/2 pot for value vs Jx or whatever, I really don't like the idea of c/c because there's more combos of Jx in his range here than Ax and those check back but likely call a smallish value bet, moreover, he just doesn't have many missed draws if any, he might not flat QT pre and gutters probably don't call 2 streets very often. C/C is a horrible line here, just b/f like $6

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Originally Posted by couriermike

Consider a c/c line with tpwk oop, maybe starting on the turn, to keep his range wide. Betting three streets is not gonna be good. I like a c/c on the river (unless he jams of course), he bluffs with worse more often than he calls with worse.

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That seems pretty bad, esp on this board. I'd rather just bet myself when I know he can call with worse and when I'm not** going to be playing guessing games for what his range is when he's betting flop and turn.

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Originally Posted by Vinland

I'm going to play devils advocate and say fold pre. If you dont want to put money in when when you hit the A, then why play it?
I would c/c a 1/2 pot bet. I doubt he's calling or betting river w/ less

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zackg in the BB is a 24/4 fish so I think this is a very std open. Even if he was replaced by a reg in the BB I'd still consider opening this hand.

imo, where our value comes from with this hand depends on who we're playing against. Against a stationy fish it comes from value betting. Against a TAG reg it comes from semibluffing with good equity and sometimes from hitting TP and being able to get to showdown.

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Originally Posted by Carroters

Just b/f like 1/2 pot for value vs Jx or whatever, I really don't like the idea of c/c because there's more combos of Jx in his range here than Ax and those check back but likely call a smallish value bet, moreover, he just doesn't have many missed draws if any, he might not flat QT pre and gutters probably don't call 2 streets very often. C/C is a horrible line here, just b/f like $6

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yea I was considering this or just c/fing. I just wasn't sure he'd call with stuff besides A's to be able to make a bet here.

i fold pre pre, if it was like a 80/5 in the BB then its different but a 24/5 isnt even going to have many worse aces

as for the hand i would Check/call the turn...like carrots said he doesnt have much draws all he has is Jx so i would c/c and if it checks through i would lead all rivers, i think the river is best card for you (aside from a seven) because of blockers and i think the extra ace on the board means he could call you down more lightly (cause its now less likely you have an ace) so i agree with b/f like 1/2 pot as played

standard open assuming no one is giving you trouble behind.

check somewhere.

Nobody liked my suggestion! :D Oh, well.

What I was thinking is: When you barrel the weak made hand oop, you're not really expecting to get called down by worse. So you're really trying to fold him, in which case you've turned your hand into a bluff and wasted its bluff-catching potential. After all, you could try to fold him with any two cards.

You have the kind of hand that's almost always good in a small pot and almost never good in a big pot. So we should try to keep the pot small which is what a c/c line does. And this doesn't mean you have to call any bet, esp otr, but ime alot of microtags will be pretty honest after being called twice because they're weak-tight and don't want to lose alot.

@Carroters: What do you think about a c/c line starting on the flop? Were you only saying c/c otr is bad as played?

check turn
$4.75 on river or c-decide based on sizing

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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

standard open assuming no one is giving you trouble behind.

check somewhere.

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This.

This I think is a really important point for everyone looking to move up in stakes to remember.

This is one of those hands where it isn't strong enough to go for 3 streets of value especially considering we are basically at the bottom of our range of aces and thus sort of overrepping out hand by 3 streeting. Because of this you need to pick a street to check to avoid value towning yourself into a range that increases in strength every time we bet.

As daven said here I'd check the turn because it doesn't have any effect on either range and bet/bet/check is a garbage line with our hand strength.

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Originally Posted by Donachello

As Philly said before daven I'd check the turn because it doesn't have any effect on either range and bet/bet/check is a garbage line with our hand strength.

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fyp

ok,

for those of you that want to check turn (which seems like a lot of you), you c/c turn? and then what do you do if he bets turn then bets this river, or bets blank river?

I like a bet/bet/check line because if we check the river and he bets (assuming its not a really weak 1/4 pot bet or something) then we can just comfortably fold. I mean, we bet twice into an A high board so if he has anything with SD value that is worse than our hand he's just going to check behind. That means when he bets he'll either be value betting or bluffing, but why would he bluff when we've shown some strength in the hand? And everything he value bets is better than our hand.

It just seems like if we check the turn we're giving up control of the hand and we're not going to have as good of an idea of what his range is when he decides to start betting (after we check).

I could be wrong here, but I feel like there's still stuff we can get value from on the turn so we should be betting it.