3/6 50bb river spot

villain is what i consider a 'meh' reg. 3bets a decent amount

so he never has air on the river and never value bets worse therefore...easy fold? i cant see him ever having complete air given his c/c flop line and i dont think he would bet KK or less on river with this sizing..

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($277.20)
UTG ($423)
UTG+1 ($262.05)
MP1 ($125)
Hero (MP2) ($321)
CO ($516.15)
Button ($328.50)
SB ($480.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J:club:, A:spade:
3 folds, Hero bets $12, 3 folds, BB raises to $42, Hero calls $30

Flop: ($87) 4:diamond:, 6:heart:, A:club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $42, BB calls $42

Turn: ($171) 5:club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($171) 4:heart: (2 players)
BB bets $93, Hero ?

seems like shoving is much much better than calling

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Originally Posted by Genitruc

seems like shoving is much much better than calling

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interesting :-|

this might be bad though since i m unsure what perceived 3-bet calling ranges are in these shallow-stacked games. 100bb s deep we could have plenty of nut hands (A5s A6s quads 5s full aces full 78s that bluffed the flop) but i suppose that s irrelevant if villain doesn t think that we re flatting wide in pos here.

if you don t think villain will give you credit for a wide preflop peeling range then shoving is bad (seems like he ll always timebank-call AQ) BUT in my experience a "meh" reg won t be thinking all that accurately about preflop ranges and will instead convince himself that you called with a weak hand pre and have a monster by the river.

the calling vs shoving question in this spot reminded me a lot of a much deeper-stacked hand i posted a while back... also an AJ vs a likely slightly better Ax hand in a strange spot :

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ko-175419.html

bet the turn

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Originally Posted by Genitruc

the calling vs shoving question in this spot reminded me a lot of a much deeper-stacked hand i posted a while back... also an AJ vs a likely slightly better Ax hand in a strange spot :

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ko-175419.html

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sick hand man.

I think this spot differs though because in your spot you can rep a wider range of boats and stuff given the deeper SPR when calling pre whereas here for me I can't given stacks. If I was to play 44,55,66 I don't think I'd get credit for flatting them preflop since I wouldn't flat those hands with these stacks, and the A4/A6/78 hands I probably won't get credit for even though I can have them in my range. your idea is fucking awesome though. but i think i just never fold out AQ/AK vs this guy.

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Originally Posted by PokerWiz

bet the turn

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can you explain your reasoning behind your 3 word replies please.

ya like i posted earlier, my idea kind of sucks this shallow. i just feel like he has exactly AQ a huge percentage of the time and if he s not that bright and a little bit tight can convince himself that you wouldn t bluff this spot.

so i guess if shoving isn t great then, yeah, just fold.

I think calling is the worst option pre

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

I think calling is the worst option pre

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im pretty sure shoving is worse than calling:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 73.394% 71.77% 01.62% 825841644 18680532.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 26.606% 24.98% 01.62% 287465580 18680532.00 { AJs, AJo }

we are way better off jamming 22 for a bluff assuming he folds often enough to a 4bet:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 62.635% 62.34% 00.29% 358681224 1677180.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 37.365% 37.07% 00.29% 213298560 1677180.00 { 22 }