Tough river spot with trips - 25NL

As i'm trying to get used to the new level, I've tried to start things up by playing little bit more ABC poker than normally. This was the first hand i 3-bet lighter after i had gained some info of the players.

Villain is 18/16 after 45 hands and has shown positional awarness by raising pots in late position a couple of times. Haven't got any ideas about his postflop habits though.

I think my 3-bet is OK because he will probably fold the majority of his range. His preflop range is something like: AK, AQ, JJ-QQ. Don't think he will just call AA, KK OOP.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

SB ($26.75)
Hero (BB) ($26.77)
UTG ($11.63)
MP ($40.40)
Button ($23.67)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8:diamond:, 10:diamond:
3 folds, SB bets $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, SB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.50) 6:heart:, 9:heart:, 10:heart: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, SB calls $2.50

My bet on the flop was probably bad because we have a lot of showdown value and were beat by most of his range.
When he calls his range is AKs, AQs, AhQx, AhKx, AxKh, AxQh, JJ-QQ, so it doesn't change that much.


Turn: ($9.50) 10:spade: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks


Even if we have trips here there's no point betting because we won't get value by worse hands here. His range still same here.


River: ($9.50) Q:diamond: (2 players)
SB bets $5.75


On the river I can't decide whether to call or not?

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Step 1: Identify the size of the pot. This is the size of the pot after your opponent has bet, including all of the money in the pot before your opponent bet and the amount he bet that you're allowed to call.

Step 2: Identify the size of the bet. This is how much you're calling.

Step 3: Determine your equity using PokerStove.

Step 4: Figure the fraction bet size/(bet size + pot size). If your equity is larger than this, then a call is +EV. If your equity is lower than this, then a call is -EV. If your equity is exactly this, then a call has the same EV as a fold.

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$5.75/($5.75 + $9.50) = 38% to make call +EV

Ignoring some other things look at your flop calling range for him, you should definitely be betting that turn.

lol wtf @ your preflop range. People steal an absurd amount from the SB in BvB situations at these levels.

His range is MASSIVE when he raises preflop. I think that 3betting here is your first mistake because 1) you have position with a fairly playable hand post flop vs a huge range and 2) you're better off 3betting a hand like 95s or 83s in a spot like this. AKA a hand that has minimal playability.

On the flop I think your cbet size is okay, I usually do around 1/2 pot in 3b pots but seeing as this is a much wetter flop and you have TP I'd elect to make it more like 3. BET THE TURN. You'll get all kind of spazzes from Overpairs with a H, Ahx hands. Make it like 5.75 or 6.

As played wtfsnap call the river there's a mirrion QhXx hands he can have and though I think you will see KJ here some and flushes some. I think you easily have enough equity to call plus I'd expect flushes to bet more like 6.25-7

For fuck's sake bet the turn.

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Originally Posted by spoonitnow

For fuck's sake bet the turn.

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seriously


and like hoopy said you have his flop calling range as JJ-QQ and a bunch of Ahx QhA KhA hands ofc youre going to get value from these hands when you have trip tens :-/

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Even if we have trips here there's no point betting because we won't get value by worse hands here. His range still same here.

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I might as well jump on too. Yeah dude, seriously. Think about what you're saying. You don't think a hand like JJ, QQ, AhXx, etc will call a turn bet?

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Originally Posted by Donachello

lol wtf @ your preflop range. People steal an absurd amount from the SB in BvB situations at these levels.

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Do you mean that his 3-bet flat range is much wider? I can't imagine him calling with so lots of hands OOP.


And yes, the turn check is terrible now when i look at it afterwards..
We give all the draws a chance to catch on the river.

It's BvB, so he's raising and calling 3bets with a wider range. Obviously raising with a wider range than calling, but I wouldn't always limit his continuing range to just AK, AQ, JJ-QQ.

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Originally Posted by BLURI

Do you mean that his 3-bet flat range is much wider? I can't imagine him calling with so lots of hands OOP.

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pretty sure hes saying T8s has so much value IP post vs his wide opening range

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Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

pretty sure hes saying T8s has so much value IP post vs his wide opening range

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Ty, I also apologize for misreading the OP a little bit. I thought you were simply saying that his initial raising range were the hands you gave him after the 3b. Regardless, Star is correct when he says that BvB 3b calling ranges tend to be inflated.