The kind of spots I fail at.

Villain is 24/21 and this is his 3rd or 4th 3 bet over 40 hands. I could quite happily just fold this preflop assuming his range is a bit tighter especailly given his aggro image and the fact I've not opened in CO or BU.

As played my options are flatting or raising here. I felt at the time I'd be making a ton of mistakes by calling this flopand would just have to fold to like all turn bets since I don't kno his frequencies - even more evidecne towards folding preflop imo. I minraised here to try to induce from any sort of draws or crappy pairs/hands with crappy equity and this is obv better than shoving or raising larger.

Thoughts on pre and post please?

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($103.50)
BB ($101.50)
UTG ($110)
Hero (MP) ($135.80)
CO ($104)
Button ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 10:spade:, 10:diamond:
1 fold, Hero bets $3.50, 2 folds, SB raises $12.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $9.50

Flop: ($27) 9:heart:, 5:club:, 2:heart: (2 players)
SB bets $18, Hero raises $36

yeah you can fold preflop if you don't like raise/calling these flops, or calling his barrels.

I don't mind this at all, if you know he's capable of shipping like AK type stuff over this.

If he's being very aggro, I might just 4bet/call off pre.

Without information I could toss a coin between 4b and calling. You could put a gun to my head and I wouldn't fold pre.
If you're a random and you take that line I would put your range at A9, TT, JJ weighted towards TT. I don't think you have anything else in your flop minraising range.

I don't get your reasoning for doing it. You're certainly behind his shovelling range even including all conceivable draws. can't imagine he will just shovel random overcards to that.
You turn your hand face up because I honestly don't think you're doing that with big overpairs, sets, draws middle pairs.
I always thought people do that for information. minraise, and if he shoves you know you're no good, but you call anyway. And if he calls you shut down because you're completely lost in the hand.

4 bet calling off TT with no history when I've not 4 bet yet just seems stupid since I'll be getting it in vs JJ+ AK and rarely anything else. I have no idea why you'd wanna 4 bet call here preflop until we have reason to believe he's defo light from here a lot and has reason to think I am 4 betting light a lot.

I'm not raising for info, I'm trying to induce a spazz from a lot of his range but yeah I also don't know much about him or what hands he'll ship so flatting is maybe better idk. I really don't see this spot being that +EV when we continue preflop readless so I don't see what the problem with folding and avoiding guesing games for stacks is until we have more than 40 hands on the guy and more info.

yea but you`re gonna take the pot pre a ton (his 3B+you open+blinds) and 3B+calling TT pre can`t be bad at all, you will have 34% vs AK JJ+ , assuming he IS bluffing here quite a bit it`s fine. W/o history i don`t mind tossing TT pre, i don`t mind calling w a bit of an idea on his postflop play - you`ll have to be ready to stack off on these types of boards of you do call pre though

So you're not confident in his spewiness enough to 4bet/get this in pre, but you're confident he's spewy enough to raise/get in low flop?

By your logic, if someone is 3betting you a lot and you 4bet on the 3rd or so time, they should probably ship on you a lot if you're waiting for JJ+ to get it in with. The chance that your first "I'm fed up, 4bet" will be a premium after he's 3betting you a lot seems pretty low.

When you call TT, what is your plan on Q/K/A high boards?

Nope Im not confident enough to CIB get it in on this flop, I think I need more of a read that he's spewy so don't really like my play at all. I take the point about him interpetting my first 4 bet as weak given he's been 3 betting a ton so far, but again it is a really small sample. I can see 4 bet calling not being a disaster given we have alrightish equity vs JJ+ AK and can expect to win the pot a lot.

Okay so say we have no reason to believe hel ship stuff like AK postflop, do people like calling down multiple barrels on non A K Q turns? Or just flatting flop folding to a turn barrel, this is why I don't like flatting readless, I just feel really uncomfortable facing multiple streets of aggression on most boards.

As for my plan on A, K or Q high flops: my std vs an unknown reg would be to call one and expect them to shutdown on turns a fair amount, but yeah this guy does look fairly likely to be aggro so not sure about how exploitable this might be.

raise-call is better vs spazztards (like me) who don t think you re repping anything but sets and will 3 bet ship flop w AK

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Originally Posted by Genitruc

raise-call is better vs spazztards (like me) who don t think you re repping anything but sets and will 3 bet ship flop w AK

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Are you more likely to ship AK on a 952hh board or 952 rainbow?

I wouldn't raise this flop since you don't seem to know enough info about him to raise call happily. Reeval turn once you flat flop imo.

re : griffey

i think both are good since on the hh board they sometimes have pair + FD but more likely they just have like AThh which we do really well against and the dry board... they can t really have anything


except when ppl play hands like OP

Against a standard unknown or standard reg this would probably be a fold pre flop.. however given the history and the amount he has been 3betting i feel that if u call this pre and get this board you should be willing to go with it. I dont CIB too often but this seems like a good spot to do it with the intention of calling a shove.