PSA Regarding PokerTableRatings and PokerStars

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03-16-2010, 11:53 PM
spoonitnow

PSA Regarding PokerTableRatings and PokerStars

So here's a thought that could become important, it's against PokerStars' rules to view PTR at any time ever.

Quote:

The following are examples of tools and services which are prohibited at all times:

52. Table Ratings aka Poker Table Ratings

From Online Poker Software - Prohibited Programs, Tools and Services
03-17-2010, 12:28 AM
Micro2Macro

seems ridiculous. can't we just look at it on another computer aside from the one we use Pstars software?
03-17-2010, 01:14 AM
tomato paste carnage

I'm sure this is vigorously enforced :rolleyes:
03-17-2010, 01:26 AM
surviva316

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomato paste carnage

I'm sure this is vigorously enforced :rolleyes:

if you have even just a few $k on a site, it's not worth it to even remotely mess with T&C
03-18-2010, 11:48 PM
IowaSkinsFan

I'm proud to say at one point my site was on that list.
03-18-2010, 11:51 PM
spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I'm proud to say at one point my site was on that list.

I remember that :P
03-19-2010, 02:34 AM
celtic123

PokerStars - Third Party Tools & Services - PokerStars Poker Room

Q Are you going to confiscate the account funds of somebody running a prohibited tool or service?

A While we reserve the right to confiscate the funds of somebody running a prohibited tool or service , we are not going to do this lightly. We want to educate our players - not punish them. However, we will confiscate funds if a player shows a consistent pattern of using prohibited tools and services after being warned, or if a player attempts to bypass our detection measures.
03-19-2010, 05:43 AM
EasyPoker

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I'm proud to say at one point my site was on that list.

which was?
07-09-2010, 12:47 PM
spoonitnow

Bump.

Just a reminder that using PTR at any time is cheating on PokerStars.

You've just got to decide if you're going to cheat or not, no matter what your excuse is.
07-09-2010, 12:49 PM
spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by EasyPoker

which was?

Real Poker Rankings
07-09-2010, 01:08 PM
donkfish

I guess we're all banned then, because really, who's never visited PTR? I don't really see much of a difference between just innocently viewing PTR and personally using tracking tools like HEM and PT. I know we only track the hands we play, but still. Maybe Stars should somehow block PTR from datamining their site? Just a thought... :jackoff:

So what happens to the thousands of retards that buy HH blocks from PTR?
07-09-2010, 01:19 PM
JKDS

Huh, i thought it was only prohibited while playing. I misread the tos :(
07-09-2010, 04:11 PM
kfaess

Quote:

Originally Posted by donkfish

I guess we're all banned then, because really, who's never visited PTR? I don't really see much of a difference between just innocently viewing PTR and personally using tracking tools like HEM and PT. I know we only track the hands we play, but still. Maybe Stars should somehow block PTR from datamining their site? Just a thought... :jackoff:

So what happens to the thousands of retards that buy HH blocks from PTR?

I had never used it until a couple weeks ago.
07-09-2010, 05:27 PM
Outlaw
Bah they must have just changed it.. I only go there to check the leaderboards and to look at my own rating. Makes sense though if people are dling hand histories.
- Q. Some prohibited programs listed above are internet web sites, especially those revolving around datamining. What steps do you take to stop their use?
- PokerStars believes that it is best to take action against these services at the root. Consequently, we are continually improving our software to stop the datamining of our games. In addition, PokerStars reserves the right to take legal action as it deems fit against those services that maliciously and repeatedly breach our Terms of Service.
07-09-2010, 07:41 PM
donkfish

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outlaw

I only go there to check the leaderboards and to look at my own rating.

+1
07-09-2010, 07:46 PM
jyms

I don't play on stars, I get RB on a Euro site
07-09-2010, 08:01 PM
Outlaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyms

I don't play on stars, I get RB on a Euro site

Which euro site? I didn't see any that allowed US players
07-09-2010, 08:03 PM
jyms

Why would you assume I'm US?
07-10-2010, 12:28 PM
kfaess

pretty sure hes in canada, LOL
07-13-2010, 12:29 AM
Imthenewfish

I feel like this is a good motivator to use my free 10 searches a day
07-13-2010, 12:38 AM
daven

i'm pretty sure that as long as ftp and stars allow ptr to act as a referral/rakeback affiliate then they are obviously fos
07-13-2010, 12:48 AM
philly and the phanatics

Quote:

Originally Posted by daven

i'm pretty sure that as long as ftp and stars allow ptr to act as a referral/rakeback affiliate then they are obviously fos

good point
07-14-2010, 08:45 PM
Outlaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyms

Why would you assume I'm US?

I thought you used to exclusively play US sites, sorry for assuming
07-15-2010, 12:09 AM
CBAT

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outlaw

I thought you used to exclusively play US sites, sorry for assuming

AssUMe it makes an Ass out of U and Me.
07-15-2010, 08:15 AM
Outlaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBAT

AssUMe it makes an Ass out of U and Me.

Yeah one of my teachers in 7th grade showed us that :p
07-16-2010, 03:26 AM
kiwiMark

PITY YOU DIDN'T LEARN IT GOOD

trollcaps
07-16-2010, 12:18 PM
parislad

Herald my signature below.
07-16-2010, 03:58 PM
badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by daven

i'm pretty sure that as long as ftp and stars allow ptr to act as a referral/rakeback affiliate then they are obviously fos

lol, never thought of this
07-16-2010, 09:51 PM
Outlaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwiMark

PITY YOU DIDN'T LEARN IT GOOD

trollcaps

I is edumakated
07-16-2010, 10:16 PM
daven

from the horse's mouth

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSMichaelJ PokerStars Game Security Specialist

but PokerStars is not interested in pursuing the end users of services like PTR and similar: instead, our focus is on cutting off their collection of data in the first place. The integrity of the games is better protected by players feeling secure enough to report such issues to PokerStars, rather than pedantically hunting down users who visit a particular website.
07-17-2010, 07:14 AM
Outlaw

I don't see how the sites can stop them from collecting data. The only thing they can do is not let observers watch the table action? That's not going to happen.

So what are the solutions?

1. Ask PTR nicely not to sell hand histories?
2. Hire the A-team to go shut them down?
3. Scan players HM or PT databases and warn then ban anyone who has a significant number of hand histories in which they did not participate?
4. Ban the use of a HUD.
5. Realize that a ton of HHs don't really help or hurt good players and just allow PTR to exist?

It seems like 5 is the only thing that makes sense?

We live in the information age, and people will just have to adjust to the nature of poker as it exists today. The only people that PTR hurts are the coaches who don't get students due to their crappy graph and fish who are getting bumhunted endlessly. And who cares about them anyways? Its not like we need PTR to spot the fish at the table.