100nl rush, go red line part 5

Hand 1: Villain is 28/17/4. We can't win if we fold.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (CO) ($297.70)
Button ($147.35)
SB ($100)
BB ($100)
UTG ($177.55)
MP ($133.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif
1 fold, MP bets $3, Hero raises to $10.50, 3 folds, MP calls $7.50

Flop: ($22.50) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
MP bets $5, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($32.50) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP bets $15, Hero calls $15

River: ($62.50) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
MP bets $15, Hero raises to $267.20 (All-In)...


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Hand 2: Against 14/10/2 small sample no history. I don't know if I'm bluffing or raising for value, but does it matter? He might call with worse or fold better, either works for me. Obviously unlikely he has an overpair, so mostly I want his stack if he has KQ.


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MP ($78.30)
Hero (CO) ($103.40)
Button ($358.50)
SB ($72.15)
BB ($45)
UTG ($40.15)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $3.50, Button calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button calls $6

Turn: ($20.50) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $12, Hero calls $12

River: ($44.50) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $25, Hero raises to $81.90 (All-In)...


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Hand 3: 200BB deep insta 3bet shove flop against weak 19/14/inf with 0% 3bet small sample. Ok, let's do it, let's put ALL THE MONEY IN, I double dare you motherfucker.


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($196.50)
Hero (CO) ($208.60)
Button ($100.45)
SB ($185.35)
BB ($104.45)
UTG ($106.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
1 fold, MP bets $3.50, Hero raises to $12, 3 folds, MP calls $8.50

Flop: ($25.50) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $12, MP raises to $36, Hero raises to $196.60 (All-In)...

Hand 1
-I like.. but I'd rather just raise flop and barrel off

Hand 2
-well I don't mind it.. it's definitely for value, cause he's for sure not folding better. Would probably just barrel though.

Hand 3
-hmmm I don't know. He can definitely have 333,888,999 given stack sizes. I mean.. if he folds you have the best hand.

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Originally Posted by griffey24

Hand 1
-I like.. but I'd rather just raise flop and barrel off

Hand 2
-well I don't mind it.. it's definitely for value, cause he's for sure not folding better. Would probably just barrel though.

Hand 3
-hmmm I don't know. He can definitely have 333,888,999 given stack sizes. I mean.. if he folds you have the best hand.

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1. I like a flat. If he has AhXh I'm almost stone dead so I don't really want to build a pot. Raising this weak donk is also getting zero credit.

2. Obviously for value, but a random unknown might fold a split here. Barreling is probably optimal as you say, he's going to check back turn a lot.

3. I thought he doesn't flat lower pairs than tens oop and his flop timing also felt too quick for a set. When he raised I put him on exactly JJ or QQ and instinct told me that he isn't going broke with those.

P4's, don't you think raising river is getting even less respect then raising flop? You're repping only KKK imo.
As played I'd just muck river.

I would raise the flop myself and likely not barrel of. I don't think anyone at 100NL donk/calls the flop with <Ax and I don't think anyone is folding Ax anywhere.

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Originally Posted by minSim

P4's, don't you think raising river is getting even less respect then raising flop? You're repping only KKK imo.
As played I'd just muck river.

I would raise the flop myself and likely not barrel of. I don't think anyone at 100NL donk/calls the flop with <Ax and I don't think anyone is folding Ax anywhere.

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people are def. folding mediocre aces here if we raise the flop and barrel, which is the line i would take, but its obv. villain dependant. the river bluff just seems like spew and its getting looked up by any ace.

All of these seems really bad. The only one I think your ever going to get a fold in enough is #1, but its pretty hard to tell.

#1 makes me feel very stupid, b/c it seems soooo pointless to me. I mean that guy called a 3b oop and lead into you three streets whilst your line reps very very thin. Folding can&#180;t win, but I doubt shoving can beat 0ev.

#2 Ya redlines like dead money. Turn really depends, vs most nits I barrel away, b/c they&#180;re rarely betting 99-JJ/KQ themselves but won&#180;t fold them to two bets either.

#3 Be assured people do call any pair here preflop with those stacks at small stakes. With sets and the NFD being both possible and likely you&#180;re spewing badly here, even if villian folds JJ/QQ 100&#37; the time he takes this line with those.

Hand 2
-Just thinking about it more and I really think barreling is much better than this line, unless you have some read that he's an aggro spazz.

If we barrel we get a chance for him to call down with a weak Q or worse pairs.. he won't call the c/r probably with a weaker Q anyhow. IF we barrel we can fold if he jams river potentially, with 3's full or 4's full, but here we stack off.

I think the c/c line is fine for balancing your turn checking range, but the river raise prob has little value vs the times we own ourselves vs better.

You know a lot of having good red line isn't just spazzing. You also have to set yourself to make profitable bluffs on later streets, which involves not only trying to play against unbalanced opponent ranges but also playing your bluff hands congruently with your nut hands.

Time to end this red line collection. There's not much strategic value to discuss. Almost all of these are very bad or horrible when executed without reads, which was obvious to most of you. Just posted for your enjoyment. Thanks to everyone who contributed.

Results if not obvious: villains folded or called with worse in all the 15 hands posted.