100NL, JJ vs nit facing all-in on turn in 3 bet pot

villian is 17/14/1.4 with 36% fold to 3 bet and 25% ATS% over 950 hands. I checked on this flush turn cuz he wouldnt call with worse in his range given his nitty stats. Should we c/f,b/f or c/c ?

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG the clêaner ($111.30)
UTG+1 glissdaddy ($195)
CO IHATEUANDU ($104.70)
BTN cs_sitz ($173.10)
SB Tanner2007 ($70.80)
BB Hero ($111.40)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is BB :jc: :jd:
2 folds, IHATEUANDU raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12, IHATEUANDU calls $9

Flop: :2c: :8d: :6c: ($24.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $17, IHATEUANDU calls $17

Turn: :5c: ($58.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, IHATEUANDU bets $75.70, Hero ?

Why are you 3betting JJ in the first place vs a nit, if you're so unsure of your hand in a 3bet pot on the turn?

I would just bet this turn myself, if I played the hand this way. As played, I can't imagine folding.

I'd probably flat this a lot pre vs nits though.

EZ fold vs nit imo.

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Originally Posted by griffey24

Why are you 3betting JJ in the first place vs a nit, if you're so unsure of your hand in a 3bet pot on the turn?

I would just bet this turn myself, if I played the hand this way. As played, I can't imagine folding.

I'd probably flat this a lot pre vs nits though.

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Is 17/14 truly a nit in any 6-max games? So we flat OOP and play a guessing game vs nit CO/BT open all the time? I forgot to mention that his fold to 3 bet% is only 36% though. BTW, these 6-max stats are from 500K hand histories i bought last month.

Whats his 4bet stat?

If he has a high 4bet stat then we're pretty much only worried about a flush here. A tight player might not even have that many SC's here necessarily. Some percentage he might raise flop and another percentage he might not jam turn.

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Originally Posted by griffey24

Whats his 4bet stat?

If he has a high 4bet stat then we're pretty much only worried about a flush here. A tight player might not even have that many SC's here necessarily. Some percentage he might raise flop and another percentage he might not jam turn.

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Oh, boy. I just found out about his 4 bet% which is impressive 0%(0/11). So this is a clear c/f,right?

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Originally Posted by pokerfan

Oh, boy. I just found out about his 4 bet% which is impressive 0%(0/11). So this is a clear c/f,right?

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It already was imo

Yah I would c/f if he never 4bets.

Though I would also still flat this pre, since you seem torn on your reasoning. You 3bet him because you say he calls 36% of 3bets and his range is wide. But you don't think his range is wide enough to double barrel on a board where you have an overpair and a club.

Would you be scared on a 5d turn?

I like b/c better than c/f. Even though he is a nit he has to think that this is a good spot to jam as a bluff or for value coz ur hand is pretty face up.

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Originally Posted by shakesss

I like b/f better than c/f. Even though he is a nit he has to think that this is a good spot to jam as a bluff or for value coz ur hand is pretty face up.

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i cant imagine that we B/F after putting 2/3 stack in the pot. B/C or c/f IMO.

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Originally Posted by pokerfan

i cant imagine that we B/F after putting 2/3 stack in the pot. B/C or c/f IMO.

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Sorry about that. Typo.

im pretty sure everyone knows to fold just from the thread title. but I agree, don't 3b here!