donking around $10 plo

i'm a profitable holdem player at the micro/low limits.

i have a few questions.

i'd say generally NLHE has gotten tougher over the last 2 years.

is plo generally softer?... i sat down at $10 plo 6 max for about an hour... and just saw some incredibly bad calls for big pots. i realize those limits are gonna be filled with the worst players. is it true there is less variance in plo compared to holdem? i would think more... no?

i have a question about a hand...

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($3.78)
Button ($9.01)
SB ($5.61)
BB ($5.80)
UTG ($9.78)
Hero (MP) ($13.94)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $0.15, CO calls $0.15, 1 fold, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.60) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.45, CO calls $0.45, 1 fold, BB calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.95) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero (i'm not putting any more into this right?? seems like obvious shut down.)

Thats actually a really bad PLO hand, pretty clear fold pre imo. Your not suited to the ace and its really bad having the 8 and 2. You want the nuts in PLO and this hand almost never makes the nuts.

PF is really bad, like Colts 2nd half vs the Jets in Week 16 bad

plo is the land of swings. if people are terrible enough it could be lower I guess. But I doubt it. I have not played this low, although I tried out the 25 plo russssh and while it was bad it wasn't nearly that bad.

There are so many more flips for stacks (my perception/based on others, I never played much NLHE ring). Also there are lots of spots where people will be making terrible calls vs your range, but maybe not against your hand - like they have a non nut wrap on a FD board. You'll be betting better wraps, often with FDs, which have them almost dead to win the pot, but if you have a set this their calls are OK. That's good long run but adds even more swings.

On the hand posted you should snap fold pre, I might try and fold if I was in the BB in a limped pot. Even if the ace was suited I would fold MP usually, open from CO sometimes and BU always. You want nut suits and or connectivity (and suits!). There are some posts here about pre that will help. Or read Hwang's book if you decide you like PLO.

As played I would take the free card. If people are calling this flop with worse than A8 you can get the money so much easier than here. And I would not even run any bare A bluffs at these levels, let alone bare Ks.

def take the free card now, it's hard to come up with two hands you could be ahead of.

sorry did not meant to pile on about pre, I'm slow

ok. yeah i kinda thought it was a bad hand. i really have very little experience with PLO. but i kinda know you are supposed to play hands you can make the nuts with.

what about variance... NL vs PLO fish etc. i'm sort of a fish now i suppose.

so hands like 9c9h4c5s are insta folds in EP at 6max?? but 9c9hAc8x are raises.

No, Ac9c9x8x isn't that great either, you'd rather have the pair off suit so if you flop a set there is a better chance you'll also have a FD. But even then it isn't a very good hand, especially in 6 max. You'll almost always flop a dry set which often won't be top set, or a bare FD, or brick. AcTc9x8x is much better. You'll hit more flops, have more free roll or almost free roll spots, and when the board changes it will often be to your benifit.

I would strongly recommend playing full ring rather than 6 max at your stage. FR games are usually softer anyway (at least at 1/2), and you can just focus on learning what hands to play and what good flops are. Also FR is more of a flop and occasionally turn game, because there are so many more 3 way+ flops, so you will limit tough river spots.

thanks. i'm not sure how much i really want to get into PLO... but i do like keeping things fresh and not grinding the same exact game for weeks at a time (although i've done that). i'll play 4 180's for a while... maybe some sats in between days... some days of just large field MTTs. i like 5CD but i'm probably a loser there. studying PLO would help keep things fresh.

I think it's prolly better to learn NLHE first. I'd like to think I'm a fairly competent holdem player, but PLO makes my head explode.
instead of dealing with preflop ranges that contain 12-350-ish combos, you're suddenly dealing with ranges that contain thousands.

That said I love the game even though I suck really bad at it.

You should play whatever you enjoy the most. Poker is soft all around. Huge swings will happen in any poker game - let bankroll management take care of that.

BTW I love 5-draw, but I haven't played in so long :'(.
If you want to talk some draw poker come to irc, or pm me... maybe we can start a FTR game. Will be tough though :D.

Beating the 10$ PLO isn't that hard.
I play pretty LAG since most of the players at .2/.5 have no idea how to play post-flop.
Its pretty much just nut-camp, playing aggresive you lose quite a few small pots, while stacking off bad players when you have the nuts/free rolling.

A lot of pots will be limp pots, which helps when you are in the blinds.

C-bets will work a majority of the time, if not then shut down.
Just play pot odds while calling down for the nuts and you'll do fine.

slightly off topic, but seems this thread has wrapped up so...

Thoughts on
A:h: K:s: 8:h: 2:s:

To me this seems like a meh hand. Likely muck, EP, open from LP, fold from blinds? At best you're hoping for a flush draw+TP type hand. I used to play this but have been folding it a ton (unless I have some reason to play a wide range, i.e. position on one really bad player, or position vs the tight blinds, etc)

yeah I open CO assuming a passive BU and BU, would probably limp behind in those spots also. def I fold out of blinds unless the whole table is in.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

what about variance...

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