100nl - How's my line?

Not sure if I really like it that much..

Villain is a random unknown, probably not very competent given his stack size.

I c/c the turn since I'm WA/WB and can get value from air by doing so. On the river I bet for thin value, though I think the type of hands I'm targeting (6x, 77,88,99) etc are more likely to call an $10 or something than what I bet. His range of 'air' on the turn though certainly improved a bit with this river. So what do you guys think? I didn't really consider c/c the river but I guess c/f may be okay...

Btw the cbet is usally $5 I have no idea why I made it $4 though sometimes Table Ninja effs up and makes my standard bet sizing off by 1bb.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($100)
Hero (MP1) ($104)
MP2 ($73)
MP3 ($111.20)
CO ($77.50)
Button ($100)
SB ($59.50)
BB ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $3, MP2 calls $3, 5 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP2 calls $4

Turn: ($15.50) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $7, Hero calls $7

River: ($29.50) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $15

surely if hes unknown we have no reason to believe he's going to be betting this turn with air/weak made hands we beat when we check to him.

b/f turn seems the better option to me. it seems extremely unlikely we get raised by worse, and its kind of a good card if he has 6x/77/88/99 because if he is bad he just won't believe we have trip 10s and that'll be his reason for calling.

as played i cant work out why we're betting the river. if you c/c the turn because you think he's going to bet worse hands when you show weakness then does it not make sense to c/c the river too?

And you are representing a hand that can't be bluffraised how often?

sil nailed this thread imo

i don't like your line
see sil above

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Originally Posted by sil693

surely if hes unknown we have no reason to believe he's going to be betting this turn with air/weak made hands we beat when we check to him.

b/f turn seems the better option to me. it seems extremely unlikely we get raised by worse, and its kind of a good card if he has 6x/77/88/99 because if he is bad he just won't believe we have trip 10s and that'll be his reason for calling.

as played i cant work out why we're betting the river. if you c/c the turn because you think he's going to bet worse hands when you show weakness then does it not make sense to c/c the river too?

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this is a good point.

this river decision wouldn't even exist if I just b/f the turn.

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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

this is a good point.

this river decision wouldn't even exist if I just b/f the turn.

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um, if you bet and he calls you have a decision. In fact, change the question. Assume bet-fold and you run into a call - what's your river play?

There's a reason this turn is generally considered bad to fire two on...

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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

this is a good point.

this river decision wouldn't even exist if I just b/f the turn.

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um, if you bet and he calls you have a decision. In fact, change the question. Assume bet-fold and you run into a call - what's your river play?

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no I mean this specific decision given how the turn played

that's also a tough spot but essentially the river is a brick for our opponent but also strengthens our perceived range..question is whether we can get a 3rd street of value from those hands that peel the turn. likely not, c/...f anyone?

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Originally Posted by d0zer

There's a reason this turn is generally considered bad to fire two on...

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are you saying you prefer c/c? if so why?

it's generally considered bad to fire 2 on as a bluff against an unknown, an not because there are lots of Ts in his range..

bet/fold turn most the time. check/fold turn against some

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Originally Posted by badgers

it's generally considered bad to fire 2 on as a bluff against an unknown, an not because there are lots of Ts in his range..

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agreed. but we're not bluffing. and if bluffing here is bad because we get a lot of calls then by the same token value betting is good. maybe dozer wasnt talking about this exact situation or maybe I'm missing something.

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

bet/fold turn most the time. check/fold turn against some

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exactly, we need to have a reason to believe he's gonna bet worse when checked to. as an unknown we dont know this.

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Originally Posted by sil693

and if bluffing here is bad because we get a lot of calls then by the same token value betting is good.

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That's exactly what I was getting at

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Originally Posted by sil693

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Originally Posted by d0zer

There's a reason this turn is generally considered bad to fire two on...

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are you saying you prefer c/c? if so why?

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Originally Posted by badgers

it's generally considered bad to fire 2 on as a bluff against an unknown, an not because there are lots of Ts in his range..

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Yeah, I meant fire two with air, not in this specific spot. I was implying exactly wat you guys said up der^^^^

Nice blocker bet on the river, I might shove back with air. I'd rather bet/fold the turn. If he's got a T or wants to rep it, he'll raise.