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i hate plays like this, because you are basically staying in purely due to the size of the pot. in any event, we are playing 20/40 at the bike and the table might as well be an aquarium.
hero is UTG+1 with 6d5d. UTG limps, hero limps, MP1 raises, 5 callers including hero, 6 players see the flop.
flop is TT4 rainbow, no diamond. hero checks, MP1 bets, all 4 others call, so we are getting 17 to 1 on a flop call.
is that good enough for a backdoor straight draw?
Kinda did some quick math, not so sure it's right, but I'm going to say this is going to be a little less breakeven.
You appear to be getting decent odds but then there's likely to be a bet on the turn that you will call when you improve to a straight draw (34% OE or GS), that worsens your pot odds just a bit. Not so sure about how much implied odds of getting paid off on the river affect the situation overall, but since you will so rarely draw fully to your straight, I would guess not very much.
If there was a diamond on the board, or even if you were able to draw to trips/2pair then you might be better off.
If I figure out the proper math before someone else does, I'll post it up.
fold, dude. no sense in chasing a b/d straight on a paired board. even at 30:1, its just putting bad money in the pot. you know me with big pots, and i fold here so fast it would spin your head.
defenitely fold
Time to abandon ship.
Fold big time!
Fold the flop ainec
Fold taht. And IMO, if you were gonna play that hand, you might as well have raised PF to eliminate other players. But that's just me. I either fold or raise PF.
I know this is a little old, but I'm not raising that pre in the environment described, Wiz, and it's a fairly important concept.
You don't want to get 3bet pre and have the rest of the table fold, and find yourself oop with a drawing hand when the alternative is a family pot with a drawing hand.
The latter is so much of a better investment.