WEREWOLF MULLIGAN

Standard recruiting werewolf rules, look at the stickies and past games with alpha characters.

Vigilante will not kill someone protected by the angel. Alpha zombie will not be able to recruit someone protected by the angel (consider this a push, no one will die). Alpha zombie will die if he tries to recruit angel.

If villager N gets recruited on NIGHT X and seer looks up villager N on NIGHT X, villager N will appear to be a zombie.

The Alpha Zombie will be able to recruit villager N on night X if vigilante shoots alpha zombie on NIGHT X. Alpha zombie will not be able to recruit villager N on NIGHT X if vigilante targers villager N. If vigilante targets alpha zombie on NIGHT X who plans to recruit vigilante on NIGHT X, both will die.

Alpha Zombie - Sneaky for a zombie, at night he can bite ANYONE and they will turn into his zombie minions. Without him the zombies only kill at night, they cannot strengthen their numbers through recruitment. Looks like a vanilla zombie when looked up by the seer.

Zombie - Like a werewolf. Participates in private discussion regarding Zombie Domination.

Angel - May protect one (including yourself) villager at night, this villager cannot be converted to a zombie or killed during the select night phase. Cannot be converted. If Alpha Zombie attempts to convert both will die.

Seer - You may start soul reading roles on NIGHT 2. Can be converted.

Vigilante - You start acquiring one bullet every other night starting NIGHT 2. You may stockpile as many bullets as you like, but may only shoot one target per night. Can be converted to a zombie.



It's NIGHT 1!


Village of Riven Join Moll
StillDeadMoney
bigred
BooG690
badgers
JKDS
a500lbgorilla
GatorJH
XxStacksxX
Keith_MM
TLR
dranger7070
bigspenda73
WillburForce
chrisBCritter
Warpe
Penneywize
Flomo
XTR1000
bode
kingnat
kiwiMark
DoanDiggy
InstantAces
Pelion
The Departed
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ALPHA ZOMBIE
20 VILLAGERS
ANGEL
SEER
VIGILANTE

otay - let's try this again

Lynch DoanDiggy

someone pm spenda?

CRAP. It's night. Rescind that...but still, think about lynching DoanDiggy.

Hi there.

Not it.

lynch staxx, protect JKDS
ez game

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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

Not it.

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hmmm, this is suspicious, YOU MUST BE DA ALPHA

Let's try this again!

lol so funny. OMG SPENDA DIED, START OVER

Wait, spenda hasnt posted in this thread either...but hes probably a wolf .0001% of the time though so nobody get too suspicious.

wat

So I do get the benefit of the doubt and am a confirmed villager due to the fact that I can't possible run good at alpha twice in a row, and noone wants to recruit my horrible ass right? RIGHT?

innnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

lynch SDM first since he keeps bitching about he recruiting alpha yet doesn't understand that its still a fair game for both sides.

w000t... REDUX!!!... Ka-BOOOOOOOOOM!!!

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

innnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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Not a signup thread DUCY? :)

Do we want to lynch SDM before he gets warmed up again? :cool:

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Originally Posted by JKDS

Wait, spenda hasnt posted in this thread either...but hes probably a wolf .0001% of the time though so nobody get too suspicious.

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Alrighty, new strategy, we just wait till JKDS has a "good feeling" and then act completely against it. We can't lose!

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Originally Posted by kiwiMark

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Originally Posted by JKDS

Wait, spenda hasnt posted in this thread either...but hes probably a wolf .0001% of the time though so nobody get too suspicious.

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Alrighty, new strategy, we just wait till JKDS has a "good feeling" and then act completely against it. We can't lose!

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The way to success is realize JKDS's statistics are inverted. A 0.00001% of being a wolf, should be read as a 0.00001% of being a villager.

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Originally Posted by ChrisBCritter

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

innnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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Not a signup thread DUCY? :)

Do we want to lynch SDM before he gets warmed up again? :cool:

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Hey if we're giving the entire ww game a mulligan SDM deserves one too, he was pretty much our MVP last game other than JKDS amirite

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Originally Posted by Penneywize

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Originally Posted by ChrisBCritter

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

innnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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Not a signup thread DUCY? :)

Do we want to lynch SDM before he gets warmed up again? :cool:

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Hey if we're giving the entire ww game a mulligan SDM deserves one too, he was pretty much our MVP last game other than JKDS amirite

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So are you his brother/cousin/girlfriend or what?

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Originally Posted by Penneywize

Hey if we're giving the entire ww game a mulligan SDM deserves one too, he was pretty much our MVP last game other than JKDS amirite

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Scratch that, Stacks was our MVP

Penneywize was the cunt of the game.

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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

Penneywize was the cunt of the game.

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lighten up man, you can't win every time

True.. But a forfeit is closer to the win column than the loss.

I see we still haven't fixed our gator problem. Will someone please think of the children?

Stacks, if you want, I'll get behind a Penney lynch. Only if you help me lynch DoanDiggy. :)

collusion ITT

I'm sure if we string up gator first, then we get bigred on both of our bandwagons.

wut

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Originally Posted by bode

lynch SDM first since he keeps bitching about he recruiting alpha yet doesn't understand that its still a fair game for both sides.

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HINT:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1714/wolfcat.jpg

(yes Bigred, Gator is hiding under the bed) :twisted:

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Originally Posted by StillDeadMoney

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Originally Posted by bode

lynch SDM first since he keeps bitching about he recruiting alpha yet doesn't understand that its still a fair game for both sides.

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HINT:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1714/wolfcat.jpg

(yes Bigred, Gator is hiding under the bed) :twisted:

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Note JKDS on the bed in the background: "Definitely looks like a villager to me!"

Take2

Lynch SDM amirite?

Bigred wasn't a wolf last time so obv........... nahhh never mind.

isn't lynch pelion still en vogue

comon this is taking foreverrrrrr

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Originally Posted by bigred

comon this is taking foreverrrrrr

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just pick ur recruitment target and we good

I love you guys.

It's pretty simple, a zombie ate your neighbor.

It's DAY 1

13 VOTES NEEDED TO LYNCH



Village of Riven Join Moll
StillDeadMoney
bigred
BooG690
badgers
JKDS
a500lbgorilla
GatorJH
XxStacksxX
Keith_MM
TLR
dranger7070
bigspenda73
WillburForce
chrisBCritter
Warpe
Penneywize
Flomo
XTR1000
bode
kingnat
kiwiMark
DoanDiggy
InstantAces
Pelion
The Departed
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ALPHA ZOMBIE
ZOMBIE
19 VILLAGERS
ANGEL
SEER
VIGILANTE

zomg.. timing tell.

Lynch BigSpenda

He's either a zombie or a useless villager imo.

Lynch DoanDiggy or JKDS...I'm fine with either lynch.

later gator!!!!!!!!!

Come on people, gatordone

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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

zomg.. timing tell.

Lynch BigSpenda

He's either a zombie or a useless villager imo.

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hmmmm?

Dont you mean bigred?

So here's my thinking on alpha wear-wolfs

And yeah, I'm aware that vocalizing this strat may or may not defeat the purpose of it..

Let's start out by weeding out the tougher players who could potentially strengthen our adversaries.

The upside to this is as follows:

1) if our alpha selected a vet, which is probably more likely than the selection of a less experienced player, our chances of hanging a wolf are better than average;

2) if our alpha sees this deliberate strategy, he is less likely to select a vet, which works out in the village's favour

Sorry if this all sounds familiar, I pretty much set out the same strat in the last ww heh.

So, with all this in mind, I'd be up to lynch any of the following:

JKDS
Bode
Warpe
rilla
GatorJH (qualifies as a vet by now imo)

thoughts?

bleh

I should probably note that I intentionally left spenda off that list, after last game's events would he rly be recrooted first? I think that..... no.

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Originally Posted by Penneywize

1) if our alpha selected a vet, which is probably more likely than the selection of a less experienced player, our chances of hanging a wolf are better than average

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Sure. We all have the same likelihood at this point of being the Alpha. However, veteran players have a larger % of being recruited, as they are generally respected, and followed. So their advice floods the forums, and if they are a zombie, then they can lead the majority in the wrong direction. So placing the villages lynching efforts on the vets seems like a decent play.

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Originally Posted by Penneywize

2) if our alpha sees this deliberate strategy, he is less likely to select a vet, which works out in the village's favour

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Actually, even if we know that the alpha is targetting vets, it's still not a terrible strategy to recruit the vets. At least I wouldn't think, but I've never seen an endgame in recruiting WW. But my logic is, recruiting a vet, even if you know he will be looked up and lynched/shot a few days from now, still works out in the zombies favor, as that vet is no longer on the side of the village. Thus, the better players are now either on the zombies side, or dead.

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Originally Posted by Penneywize

So, with all this in mind, I'd be up to lynch any of the following:

JKDS
Bode
Warpe
rilla
GatorJH (qualifies as a vet by now imo)

thoughts?

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So yeah, def think we need to go after a vet. I would take Warpe off of that list, only for the fact that he's always on the radar from the beginning, so it seems like a poor first choice as the village could string him up anytime.

The rest, I wouldn't derail a lynching.

Fuck. I'm with it. Hell, I'll even start. Lynch JKDS.

You see what I did there?

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Originally Posted by BooG690

Fuck. I'm with it. Hell, I'll even start. Lynch JKDS.

You see what I did there?

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A: you picked the first guy on the list
B: you always want to lynch JKDS first

... maybe something else I missed ...

anyhow I'm on board, JKDS has had a pretty good run of being a special role, pretty much on par with Ragnar4's permawolf run. So using indisputable logic, JKDS is probably not a special role this game.

lynch JKDS

Ah, now this is the WW I know: silly villagers leveling themselves without the faintest idea of what acting wolfy is.

Lynch Penneywise b/c he has the highest WPP and spelled werewolf wrong.

I like a BooG690 lynch but I know nobodies gonna jump on my bandwagon so I'll wait and see where you guys go with this.

lynch bigspenda

he'll be recruited anyways making him a liability. For a day 1 lynch, the only way we could do better is the alpha wolf.

pennywise is such a classic level 1 thinker. i like stax's argument that the smart play is for the alpha to recruit a bunch of vets, and it makes sense. however, i think doing the exact opposite has a ton of merit. especially after playing out the first few days of zombie WW like we did, the alpha can recruit an army of noobs while we out think/out level ourselves and string up all the vets.

they could, but after 3 or 4 days, they'll probably regret having noobs vrs wiley vets like spenda.

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Originally Posted by bode

pennywise is such a classic level 1 thinker. i like stax's argument that the smart play is for the alpha to recruit a bunch of vets, and it makes sense. however, i think doing the exact opposite has a ton of merit. especially after playing out the first few days of zombie WW like we did, the alpha can recruit an army of noobs while we out think/out level ourselves and string up all the vets.

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yeah, I get where you're comin from, and yes my reasons are thus far very level 1. Don't take this to mean that I'm not capable of anything deeper than that though.

What we've got to work from is as follows:

Someone was randomly picked to be the alpha, and the alpha selected someone to join the zombie side. With this as the only information we have, I think lynching a vet on day 1 is our best option, for the reasons I stated.

I don't want to lynch a vet on day 2 and 3 and 4. I am working on the assumption that by then, we will have more info to work off; maybe our seer will look someone up, maybe a wolf will blow his cover.

basically - we can't realistically hope to get a wolf on day 1, as we might in classic WW. Therefore, the next best solution is to pick a vet to hang because our chances are better than average (I am assuming this), and we preclude the possibility of that vet joining the wolves for now.

If you have some better strat to follow, for day 1 I mean, I'd definitely entertain other possibilities..

...and JKDS falls right on the bottom of the "vet" category. He's basically the shittiest vet there is...c'mon boys. String his ass up.

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Originally Posted by Instant Aces

I like a BooG690 lynch but I know nobodies gonna jump on my bandwagon so I'll wait and see where you guys go with this.

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I can get on board with this, obviously.

im glad i have vet status now, ive worked hard for it.

but lets be real. the last 4 werewolves (other than that last one) i've been a crazy psychopath going about saying LYNCH HIM FOR X,Y,Z and causing lots of ruckus as well as being the top priority lynch for everyone. Sure, I nailed the alpha last game...but the other vets can do that too and ARENT on everyones lynch list. Add to this fact that boog has a hard on for me that usually gets pretty close to succeeding and i think its pretty clear that id be a terrible, terrible choice when we have ppl like warpe who can still wtf pwn the wolves, is still epic at ww, and is much more low profile. ( i dont advocate lynching warpe, but he logically fits better into any lynch the vet arguement)

last thing, aside from what ppl think, i dont see the harm in having a bunch of vets around. Its nice to be able to have somone like warpe go and say OMG SPENDA ARE WOLF because these ppl have played with each other enough to notice this.

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Originally Posted by JKDS

im glad i have vet status now, ive worked hard for it.

but lets be real. the last 4 werewolves (other than that last one) i've been a crazy psychopath going about saying LYNCH HIM FOR X,Y,Z and causing lots of ruckus as well as being the top priority lynch for everyone. Sure, I nailed the alpha last game...but the other vets can do that too and ARENT on everyones lynch list. Add to this fact that boog has a hard on for me that usually gets pretty close to succeeding, i think its pretty clear that id be a terrible, terrible choice when we have ppl like warpe who can still wtf pwn the wolves, is still epic at ww, and is much more low profile. ( i dont advocate lynching warpe, but he logically fits better into any lynch the vet arguement)

last thing, aside from what ppl think, i dont see the harm in having a bunch of vets around. Its nice to be able to have somone like warpe go and say OMG SPENDA ARE WOLF because these ppl have played with each other enough to notice this.

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made a typo :P

also i like lynching anyone that doesnt stand out to much and ppl dont generally want to lycnh early. stacks still fits this bill because i dont think ppl would expect him to be recruited again. also, i like keith, instant aces, pellion, and a number of other sane quietish ppl that dont go all JKDS and cause riots.

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Originally Posted by JKDS

but lets be real. i've been a crazy psychopath

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Here's a picture of your work in the Cold War WW game:

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4715/seershot.jpg

:shock:

Meh.. An alpha recruiting vets works both ways... Sure it gets a vet on his side, and away from the side of the village. However, I think it would be a little foolish to recruit the most prolific vets. The ones that are always on a lynch radar, at least this early. Mainly for the fact that it's so level 1 to recruit them, and they are likely to have suspicion cast upon them for this reason. And it really doesn't hurt to let them stay in for the first few days, because there isn't enough information to deduce and make correct assumptions off of.

I would think a better alpha strat for the first few days would to go after mid-high level players. Players like Bode, Kingnat, BooG come to mind. Just a fwiw, Kingnat would be a pretty awesome recruit imo. He's an intelligent player, and he has like never been on anyways radar as far as I know.

At the previous run we had the same discussion about the alpha wolf probably targeting veterans of the game, however the first two lynches had nothing to do with this logic
We lynched SDM for being SDM, and we lynched Spenda for being silent

I think that the wolf is most likely not to recruit a noob as the first recruit, so we should avoid the temptation of lynching one at day 1

hrm, i agree with stax

lynch da kingnat

hard to get any more low profile / regish than that

Recind Spenda

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I think that the wolf is most likely not to recruit a noob as the first recruit, so we should avoid the temptation of lynching one at day 1

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I like this man.

Missed this due to sleeping all day like a POS. :( Stax's idea of lynching kingnat is as good as any other.

lynch kingnat

i agree with a noob being targeted.

lynch KiwiMArk

well , technically we could argue that there are no noobs in this WW. Whilst its been pointed out that vets would be good candidates , noobs could just as easily be a good target for recruitment. In the halloween one , Kiwimark hardly said anything so could quite easily just sit back and still hardly say anything while the village take out the "best" players to prevent them getting recruited. Alpha needs numbers at the start,so why risk going for someone who could get lynched. Last game the noobs hardly got a mention .
Therefore I agree with Wilbur , lynch Kiwimark

I genuinely think Stax's reasoning holds more water. The alpha wolf has to figure that we could level ourselves into lynching just about anyone (as we've seen, there's been a post of "he'd recruit a high person!", "no wait, he wants us to think that, he'd recruit a med person!" and finally "aha, it's all a level, he'll recruit a noob!") deciding on which 'level' we decide to arbitrarily go with.
Given that, it makes more sense to try and get somebody who would be an asset to the wolves, ie. somebody with more experience.

Keith pointed out I didn't post much in the last game, which is fair, however I'd point out that Keith seems to normally be quite active, and yet this time has only shown up and jumped on a freshly-forming bandwagon after JKDS listed his name as a potential target.

That said, there've been a bunch of people who haven't dropped in at all yet, and I'm happy to get on a kingnat lynchwagon.

lynch kingnat

If I understand the rules right, in three hours someone will get lynched regardless. I'm going to sleep now and won't be on for about nine hours, so once again I'd like to stress my innocence and say we lynch a sensible target (ie. somebody who would make a useful wolf, rather than a debatably inconspicuous but useless one) so we have a chance against the recruiting alpha.

kingnat is busy saving equality

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

lynch bigspenda

he'll be recruited anyways making him a liability. For a day 1 lynch, the only way we could do better is the alpha wolf.

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could sub in like 3 or 4 other names, including yours, using this argument

LEAVE SPENDA ALONE

even though i'm on that list stax, i like the argument for kingnat. he has been completely under the radar and would be a perfect zombie recruit.

lynch kingnat

Too many chiefs, not enough indians.

I wanted to lynch SDM again because it would be funny. Since Kingnat is all Butt-hurt from losing the vote yesterday, I'll spare him a noose around his neck...

lynch kiwiMark

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Originally Posted by bode

even though i'm on that list stax, i like the argument for kingnat. he has been completely under the radar and would be a perfect zombie recruit.

lynch kingnat

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I was gonna go with a Spenda lynch, but I like this reasoning as well.

lynch kingnat