A couple hands

Hand #1: Villain is 18/6/1.2 over 90 hands. He has been very passive. This is a set all day right? Is there a better line to take or is this a standard waste of time hand to post? :wall: The reason I bet turn is because I picked up a lot of equity and am basically never folding now.. better to be the aggressor right?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
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saw flop | saw showdown

MP3 ($27.65)
CO ($24.95)
FrigginNit (Button) ($53.20)
SB ($6.20)
BB ($30.20)
UTG ($27.75)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($25)
Hero (MP2) ($25.70)

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $0.75, 2 folds, FrigginNit calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.85) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.15, FrigginNit calls $1.15

Turn: ($4.15) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.60, FrigginNit calls $2.60

River: ($9.35) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $4.90, FrigginNit raises to $27.25, Hero folds

Total pot: $19.15 | Rake: $0.90

Results:
FrigginNit didn't show
Outcome: FrigginNit won $18.25

Hand #2: Villain has played few hands but from the way he wears his hat, appears to be a shortstacking super donkey.

My question is combating shortstackers. Generally, do we cbet them? If we get shoved on after a cbet we are almost always getting the right price. Or do we just wait to hit before doing anything? This seems very exploitable. I am just confused on how anyone makes money short stacking.. he has no implied odds so can't really call with much preflop, and being a 1 more wonder preflop doesn't get value out of bigger hands.

Should I be raising more preflop? Should I cbet smaller if at all?

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POS Shortstacker (MP1) ($4.35)
MP2 ($26.65)
MP3 ($29.90)
CO ($25)
Button ($14.65)
SB ($22.45)
Hero (BB) ($25)
UTG ($25.60)
UTG+1 ($6.05)

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
2 folds, POS Shortstacker calls $0.25, 5 folds, Hero bets $1, POS Shortstacker calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, POS Shortstacker calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.70) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.95, POS Shortstacker calls $2.05 (All-In)

River: ($8.80) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $8.80 | Rake: $0.40

Results:
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (one pair, sixes).
POS Shortstacker had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: Hero won $8.40

I've seen plenty of short stacking guides. Anyone know of a guide on how to play against them?

Usual disclaimer: I'm a busto microdonk, take or leave the below analysis, I'm doing it as much for my benefit as yours, etc. etc.

Hand 1.

Preflop: Villain's on the button, so he might be flatting you with a slightly wider range than normal. Let's say something like: {AJs+, AQo+, KQs, 54s-QJs, 22+} I'm leaving premiums in his range as I don't think we can be sure he won't flat with them.

Flop: How often is he folding to c-bets? This isn't a flop that I feel hits your range very hard, so he might be suspicious and call for one street here with most (all?) of his range, especially if you've been c-betting a lot.

Turn: You hit your card and bet again, there's also now a diamond draw. Here I think he's continuing with {AJs, AdQd+, KdQd, 54s, T9s-QJs, 6d5d-9d8d, 22, 33, 88+} Against which pokerstove tells me you have exactly 50% equity, but I'm not sure how often he's calling with the flushdraw here, so this might be marginal. That said I don't see how you can ever not bet here when you hit your card.

River: I don't really like the bet on the river. Calling you is only something like: {AJs, 54s, JTs-QJs, 22, 33, 88+), against which you've only got 36% equity so it's not a good value bet, and I can't think of any better hands that you're getting to fold here so it's not a good bluff, either. When he raises you I think it's either the straight, a set or I guess occasionally a very strangely played overpair- in any event nothing you beat, so an easy fold.

I think a ton of worse hands call me on the river here. I fully expected him to call with something like 44, 55, 66, 77, 99, 1010, A8.

Both cbets are debatable and the one in hand 2 is probably -EV

hand 1 turn/river are fine but I'd go slightly bigger on both streets

hand 2 turn is about all you can do when you turn a gutterball

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Both cbets are debatable and the one in hand 2 is probably -EV

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I think cbet in hand 1 is fine. Hand 2, I think there are some concerns; however, I hate all the other options, so b/f is what I would normally do.

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hand 1 turn/river are fine but I'd go slightly bigger on both streets

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Same standard. Bigger is better here. Villain is bad, and calling with plenty worse on both street to bigger bets.

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hand 2 turn is about all you can do when you turn a gutterball

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yeah pretty much.