10nl Is this AA a lot?

Both of these guys had over 50% vpip so I was button opening with a tighter range. However, pfr for both was less than 7% and none of them had ever 3bet my button open over 150ish hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($15.80)
SB ($16.20)
BB ($12.90)
UTG ($5)
MP ($10.35)
CO ($9.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kc.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $0.40, SB raises to $1.20, BB raises to $2 , Hero???

Total pot: $2.80

either making it $5ish or flatting and waiting for a non-A flop to go crazy. just dont fold KK at this level, imo.

Yeah, a lot of the time they could have 99+ or even AJs to AKs

I would definately at least see a flop, if not shove.

we are too deep to shove.

even players of a PFR of 7 are totally capable of going "OMG JJ" or "OMG AK" and then proceed to have no idea how to play those hands. i prefer 5b'ing here by far because whatever they're 3b/4b'ing with, they prolly like enough to stack off with. if you flat, then there are a lot of boards that villains won't like (esp if they have AK), but if you can at least raise to like $5 here, then it's a huge mistake for them to call and then not stack off on any board

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Originally Posted by Chopper

either making it $5ish or flatting and waiting for a non-A flop to go crazy. just dont fold KK at this level, imo.

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Alright, so Im assuming if I make it $5 and he shoves just be happy to get it in?

I think making it $5 commits us anyways doesn't it? If we reraise to $5, get flat called, and the flop comes Axx are we going to give villain credit for always having Ax? We'll have about a PSB in that case so I really hate the thought of folding any flop if we 5bet here.

I'd rather just shove here. Yes this can be JJ or some crap often enough to make this profitable and this way we can also get it in pre against hands like AQ or AK that miss the flop a lot and not pay off if we 5bet smaller.

the only time it can "only" ever be AA is if you have 300+ hands on a guy that raises 2% or 3bets 2% of his hands preflop.

Contrary to what Chopper says, it is possible to fold pf at 10nl if you have good reads on your opponent. It's rare, but there are spots. However given the position, I am not folding.

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Originally Posted by AdamThePirate

the only time it can "only" ever be AA is if you have 300+ hands on a guy that raises 2% or 3bets 2% of his hands preflop.

Contrary to what Chopper says, it is possible to fold pf at 10nl if you have good reads on your opponent. It's rare, but there are spots. However given the position, I am not folding.

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given the position and our current assumptions based on their metrics.

i dont think we are committed if we make it $5....thats why i picked $5. we have $15 and villains have over $10. only half of any of our stacks is in at this point.

if they shove over, pre, i am calling. if one of them has AA, which is very likely, then so be it. but, they dont BOTH have bullets. therefore, i think there is enough of an overlay/dead money in the pot to catch JJ/QQ/AK in there, too.....perhaps even worse.

if the flop comes AXX, and both of them are in the pot, i am completely done. too likely someone has an A after all that. on the very rare occasion we get bluffed out, it still isn't worth the risk of chasing a 2 outer for the remaining 2/3 of our stack.....that is fishy poker.

KK has always been my biggest performer. why? because i dont fold it when pushed pre, and i can be convinced to drop it FAR more often post flop when compared to AA, especially when the AXX flops hit.

just my nickel.

here is some running of ranges...

give them both JJ+,AQs+,AKo, and one spot of trash like 76s..

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.015% 24.60% 01.36% 1381603237 76364501.00 { JJ+, AQs+, 76s, AKo }
Hand 1: 27.837% 28.29% 01.80% 1588850880 101179400.50 { JJ+, AQs+, 76s, AKo }
Hand 2: 48.148% 50.39% 01.66% 2829789817 93281630.50 { KK }


give one of them AA/AK, and...

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 21.504% 19.82% 01.69% 560714100 47688268.00 { JJ+, AQs+, 76s, AKo }
Hand 1: 41.417% 39.68% 01.74% 1122683832 49088146.00 { AA, AKs, AKo }
Hand 2: 37.079% 36.86% 00.22% 1042912404 6149506.00 { KK }