LAG Villain - A Correct Move?

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09-19-2009, 05:07 PM
tomato paste carnage

LAG Villain - A Correct Move?

First off, I've been lurking for a week or so now, and this is my first post. I've been ingesting all of the information I can from FTR, and it's been delicious.

Now, my dilemma. Looking back on this hand, I feel like the correct thing to do would have been to fold after he re-raised post flop. Table is playing loose. Villain showed to be LAG in the past, and the out-of-character instant post-flop raise sent off the bluff signal.

[EDIT]: Ghetto hand due to restrictions for posting links[/EDIT]

Hero[8d Qd]

UTG: folds
UTG+1: calls $0.02
UTG+2: calls $0.02
MID: calls $0.02
Hero: calls $0.02
CO: folds
B: folds
Villain: raises $0.08 to $0.10
BB: folds
UTG+1: folds
UTG+2: calls $0.08
MID: folds
Hero: calls $0.08

*** FLOP *** [2c 5c 8s]
Villain: bets $0.22
UTG+2: folds
Hero: raises $0.28 to $0.50
Villain: raises $1.96 to $2.46
Hero: calls $1.69 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.27) returned to Villain

*** TURN *** [2c 5c 8s] [8h]

*** RIVER *** [2c 5c 8s 8h] [Jc]

*** SHOW DOWN ***
Villain: shows [Ah Kd] (a pair of Eights)
Hero: shows [8d Qd] (three of a kind, Eights)
Hero collected $4.54 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.74 | Rake $0.20
Board [2c 5c 8s 8h Jc]

Was calling the re-raise the correct thing to do?
09-19-2009, 06:08 PM

Its 2nl, he's not a lagg. Fold Pre.
09-19-2009, 09:52 PM
tuuk2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutty McMutt

Its 2nl, he's not a lagg. Fold Pre.

+1.

Q-8s is not a hand you want to mess with against a raise. I realize it's suited, but you shouldn't even be limping with this hand in my opinion, because it sets you up for a decision when someone else raises behind you.

Honestly, I don't know that I'm calling an all-in with a pair of 8s either. It worked out for you this time, but sometimes people raise with overpairs to the board.

Lastly, since you're looking for critiques, your re-raise was poor. Villain raises to .22 and you re-raise to .50? Not nearly enough in my opinion.
09-20-2009, 05:55 PM
tomato paste carnage

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuuk2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutty McMutt

Its 2nl, he's not a lagg. Fold Pre.

+1.

Q-8s is not a hand you want to mess with against a raise. I realize it's suited, but you shouldn't even be limping with this hand in my opinion, because it sets you up for a decision when someone else raises behind you.

Honestly, I don't know that I'm calling an all-in with a pair of 8s either. It worked out for you this time, but sometimes people raise with overpairs to the board.

Lastly, since you're looking for critiques, your re-raise was poor. Villain raises to .22 and you re-raise to .50? Not nearly enough in my opinion.

I appreciate the comments, and especially the critique. I re-evaluated the way I raise people, and have been 1) losing FAR less to people chasing flushes/draws/aces and 2) making more money because of 1.

Thanks :)
09-20-2009, 09:26 PM
surviva316

well, yeah, fold pre, but flop is the biggest leak.

let's go with the assumption that villain IS a lagg. how do we exploit this with this hand (and with our range as a whole). what do lagg's do too much/what do they not do enough? what do they overvalue/what are they oblivious to? etc. think through these sort of things and figure out a logical course of action to take with your whole range that maximizes your exploitation of a loose aggressive player. ABCD theorem in the stickies can really help with this thought process
09-20-2009, 10:57 PM
Dannyboy6

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuuk2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutty McMutt

Its 2nl, he's not a lagg. Fold Pre.

+1.

Q-8s is not a hand you want to mess with against a raise. I realize it's suited, but you shouldn't even be limping with this hand in my opinion, because it sets you up for a decision when someone else raises behind you.

Honestly, I don't know that I'm calling an all-in with a pair of 8s either. It worked out for you this time, but sometimes people raise with overpairs to the board.

Lastly, since you're looking for critiques, your re-raise was poor. Villain raises to .22 and you re-raise to .50? Not nearly enough in my opinion.

Summed it up nicely.

I really believe a lot of people calling OOP with hands like Q8s and then pushing/calling/reraising on a 8 high flop is just madness regardless of how aggressive people seem to be playing.