I don't like folding boats

Villain is 24/12 over 8k hands but has just joined the table so no real reads.

Not sure about my river call. Feels like TT+/air a lot of the time but not sure how often im seeing air here

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

UTG ($8.75)
UTG+1 ($20)
MP1 ($42.95)
MP2 ($36.50)
MP3 ($10)
CO ($5.95)
Hero (Button) ($66.55)
SB ($50)
BB ($36.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
4 folds, MP3 checks, 1 fold, Hero bets $2, SB calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($5) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $9, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($23) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero calls $10

River: ($43) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $29 (All-In), Hero calls $29

Total pot: $101 | Rake: $3

his line screams value and its really hard to have air here.

over 8k hands you should really have a read if he flats pp's from the blinds vs a steal, if he bluffraises paired boards, and if he follows through on the turn and river after raising the flop on a pure bluff.

What you did wrong there is not during the hand, but long before it came to this. This is such a common spot, you should have tons of notes after 1k hands.

Against an unknown I fold the river.

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Originally Posted by oskar

over 8k hands you should really have a read if he flats pp's from the blinds vs a steal, if he bluffraises paired boards, and if he follows through on the turn and river after raising the flop on a pure bluff.

What you did wrong there is not during the hand, but long before it came to this. This is such a common spot, you should have tons of notes after 1k hands.

Against an unknown I fold the river.

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8k data mined hands. i just started full tilt about a few days ago

Data mining is not legal on FT, yo.

:tsk:

I can't imagine what advantage you think you'll have having datamined hands vs. the nitring regs.

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Originally Posted by Illfavor

I can't imagine what advantage you think you'll have having datamined hands vs. the nitring regs.

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its nice to sit down and see who folds their bb 90% of the time

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Originally Posted by AFchung

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Originally Posted by Illfavor

I can't imagine what advantage you think you'll have having datamined hands vs. the nitring regs.

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its nice to sit down and see who folds their bb 90% of the time

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I just go by people who buy in full, have names like UPayMyBills, and say "terribad frop" in chat

I don't wanna go on about this forever... do what you want.
But there's a reason they don't allow it, and that is because it's cheating. You're giving yourself an unfair advantage over all the other players. They don't know how you're playing, but you know how they've been playing... at least you would if you knew how to interpret them and use postflop stats.
Because this thread is completely unnecessary frankly if you got 8k hands.

well I'd imagine I would be pissed if someone looked at FTP datamined hands and decided to rape me post-flop by floating my c/r and hero calling river barrels

You guys can be pissed all you want. I am sure there are many other people doing the same thing.
We all know how well prohibition works.

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Originally Posted by AFchung

8k data mined hands. i just started full tilt about a few days ago

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i look forward to FT freezing your account and confiscating your funds. You'll get no sympathy when/if it happens.
Not kidding.

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Originally Posted by mrhappy333

You guys can be pissed all you want. I am sure there are many other people doing the same thing.
We all know how well prohibition works.

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and here's hoping that every single one of them loses the entire balance of their accounts.
And you know what the Full Tilt precedent is in cases like this? they distribute the funds among players that the cheats have won money from. One day I'm going to receive a big pay cheque out of this. In the meantime I'll stick to not cheating.

Also, my main objection to datamining is the advantage it gives to shortstacks who live and die by stats that require a large sample size to be meaningful.

Not that I've ever even thought about datamining quite frankly, but how exactly would they catch you??

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Originally Posted by mxiu

Not that I've ever even thought about datamining quite frankly, but how exactly would they catch you??

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they can't

unless the ftp program scans your pt3 database or something. but that might violate privacy policy probably. i haven't heard of anyone getting banned for data mining

any comments on the hand? or do you guys feel like beating the dead horse and bitching me out some more

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You have 8,000 hands on this player and post two pieces of statistical information? Shouldn't you have a better idea of his postflop tendencies? I mean wtf was the point of the cheating if you don't know how to interpret the numbers?

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Originally Posted by mxiu

Not that I've ever even thought about datamining quite frankly, but how exactly would they catch you??

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they see your post on FTR and ban you