100nl playing AQ post flop a non standard way

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08-22-2009, 09:41 PM
mg0698

100nl playing AQ post flop a non standard way

Villian is a some what nitty playing 19/15/2 over 400 hands. 100% flop CB

My flop c/r really shouldn't make too much sense, and i want to make it look bluffy.

thoughts...

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $101.50
SB: $107.20
Hero (BB): $133.30
UTG: $104.45
MP: $20.00
CO: $106.90

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with A:club: Q:diamond:
2 folds, CO raises to $3.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) Q:club: 6:diamond: T:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5.50, Hero raises to $16, CO calls $10.50

Turn: ($39.50) 7:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $28, CO calls $28

River: ($95.50) 4:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $85.80 all in
08-22-2009, 09:48 PM
mixchange

I don't get why you raised flop. This folds out his air range, and vs some nitty players even TPWK. Good spot to play KJ like this...

if this guy cbets every flop, you want to raise your bluffs/draws and flat the flop, then begin mixing the opposite as he sees it (bluffs are floats, flop raises are value)
08-22-2009, 10:08 PM
bigspenda73

this is kinda the spot I was talking about last week when I asked if anyone c/r's flop then checks turn
08-22-2009, 10:09 PM
mg0698

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

this is kinda the spot I was talking about last week when I asked if anyone c/r's flop then checks turn

i was gonna check the turn, but he is so nitty i think he may check back the turn with bluff catchers
08-22-2009, 10:21 PM
bigspenda73

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Originally Posted by mg0698

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

this is kinda the spot I was talking about last week when I asked if anyone c/r's flop then checks turn

i was gonna check the turn, but he is so nitty i think he may check back the turn with bluff catchers

so you were going to c/f then had you checked?
08-22-2009, 10:25 PM
bikes

I'm really not sure what you put him on that will call a river shove that you beat given your description of him
08-22-2009, 10:47 PM
jyms

What are you trying to sell to him that you have? What are you putting him on? I don't see how this is good vs him, except against the weakest of his range on the rarest of occasions.
08-22-2009, 11:04 PM
noble007

CR the flop for value and trying to stack of is fine if he is raising more than I think about 20% from that position because you're above the inflection point so it will always show a profit.

Whether it's the most EV route I think depends on your overall strategy if you CR alot of flops as semi-bluffs then you want this hand in your range for value and for balance.

Without history I'd probably only do this if the flop was 2 suited so that he could at least put us on a flush draw and get it in lighter for value.

As for the river play - mmm. My river theory isn't so hot I would be confused I would probably bet 2/5 pot.
08-23-2009, 12:29 AM
mg0698

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by mg0698

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

this is kinda the spot I was talking about last week when I asked if anyone c/r's flop then checks turn

i was gonna check the turn, but he is so nitty i think he may check back the turn with bluff catchers

so you were going to c/f then had you checked?

no way man, i would have c/c or crai
08-23-2009, 04:38 AM
mixchange

uh... did you other guys who replied read that OP said this is a NITTY player?

When was the last time you saw a 19/15 nitty player stack off with worse than exactly what we have now, TPTK in this spot? WTF?
08-23-2009, 06:01 AM
Numbr2intheWorld

You guys don't c/r this?

River is too thin i think.
08-23-2009, 01:32 PM
griffey24

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Originally Posted by Massimo

You guys don't c/r this?

River is too thin i think.

Yaah these were my thoughts. If I'm flatting AQ in the blinds, I'm c/r this flop all day and probably betting the turn as well. River is close and probably depends on image, but I don't mind it as all insiders/OESD missed.
08-23-2009, 01:59 PM
minSim

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Originally Posted by griffey24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massimo

You guys don't c/r this?

River is too thin i think.

Yaah these were my thoughts. If I'm flatting AQ in the blinds, I'm c/r this flop all day and probably betting the turn as well. River is close and probably depends on image, but I don't mind it as all insiders/OESD missed.

A little bit of topic, but how often do you good guys really 3barrel here when they miss?
08-23-2009, 09:59 PM
griffey24

I think this is very player dependent and image dependent.

If I have a bad image, I'm less likely to be c/r'ing a draw on this board in the first place, and will more likely c/r a hand like AQ. If I have a good image, I'll more likely c/r a draw. So if I'm c/r'ing this board in the first place, I'm more comfortable bareling given the scenario.
08-25-2009, 10:54 PM
mixchange

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Originally Posted by griffey24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massimo

You guys don't c/r this?

River is too thin i think.

Yaah these were my thoughts. If I'm flatting AQ in the blinds, I'm c/r this flop all day and probably betting the turn as well. River is close and probably depends on image, but I don't mind it as all insiders/OESD missed.

Hi Griffy and Mass

I don't understand why we want to raise here vs a nitty player with 100% cbet? Seems like we'd want to raise here with our air and draws vs. a nitty player, not TPTK BvB.

Maybe I'm thinking of villain differently, but the nits I know playing after i've played a lot at this stake are folding pretty much everything except AA, KK, sets, KJ, KQ, 2p and everything else is gone once we raise flop.

If you have a little dynamic I can see maybe him calling with a 10 or Jj, but I definitely don't see a too of value here.
08-26-2009, 09:30 AM
Da GOAT

seems standard to me. river is prob a move id do but i agree its prob too thin.
08-28-2009, 01:24 AM
nihil2501

agree about river. this line probably extracts most value out of any others. thats why being oop sucks