Huge 3 way pot with the nuts?

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08-06-2009, 01:17 AM
stardustakos

Huge 3 way pot with the nuts?

Hi all. Just moved up to 10 NL (thank you very much) and I got some tough competition from the beginning.

SB is giving me trouble. balance is -6$ from our encounters. He is 23/17 after 153 hands and he seems to be one step ahead at the hands he is playing to showdown, with most of the cases better kicker. UTG just entered the game and I have no history.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($28.40)
Button ($6.92)
UTG ($10)
BB ($14.35)
Hero (MP) ($17.96)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
UTG (poster) checks, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold, UTG (poster) calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.30) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $1, Hero raises $3.18, SB raises $6.08, UTG raises to $9.60 (All-In), Hero calls $6.42, SB raises to $28 (All-In), Hero calls $7.96 (All-In)

Turn: ($46.02) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($46.02) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: $46.02
08-06-2009, 02:00 AM

no fucking clue, pokerstove sucks for analyzing three way pots with different stack sizes
08-06-2009, 02:04 AM
AdamThePirate

You don't have the nuts.
08-06-2009, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamThePirate

You don't have the nuts.

http://stevescars.digitaloutsider.or...in_obvious.jpg
08-06-2009, 08:28 AM
spoonitnow

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Hero calls $6.42

The only mistake in this hand. You should be betting and raising here, not calling. You're way ahead of his stacking off range.
08-07-2009, 07:20 PM
stardustakos

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Originally Posted by iopq

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamThePirate

You don't have the nuts.

http://stevescars.digitaloutsider.or...in_obvious.jpg

I know I don't have the nuts. What I mean is that pots like that are really worth trying reading the opponent (in this case opponents) cause it is a pitty to lose the opportunity of taking a huge pot just because a luantic went all in with air. We all know it happpens.

Since I started reading all the articles here in FTP along with the "theory of poker" I improved my game, into the extend of naming hands exactly for what they are, sometimes. But some other times the opponent shows something that I havent even thought of...

I know. Work work work. read, apply then read again...
08-07-2009, 07:39 PM
dontezuma

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Originally Posted by spoonitnow

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Hero calls $6.42

The only mistake in this hand. You should be betting and raising here, not calling. You're way ahead of his stacking off range.

Spoon,

If SB has any hand that might fold to Hero's shove here, and has very little chance of behind behind, why is the call a mistake?

Hero overshoving COULD make SB lay down a flopped str8, 2 pair, set, etc., and Hero has great equity against a low flopped flush. I don't get why he wouldn't call and get it in on any turn? (BTW, I'm assuming I'm just missing the boat, not that you're wrong)
08-07-2009, 09:38 PM
spoonitnow

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Originally Posted by dontezuma

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Originally Posted by spoonitnow

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Hero calls $6.42

The only mistake in this hand. You should be betting and raising here, not calling. You're way ahead of his stacking off range.

Spoon,

If SB has any hand that might fold to Hero's shove here, and has very little chance of behind behind, why is the call a mistake?

Hero overshoving COULD make SB lay down a flopped str8, 2 pair, set, etc., and Hero has great equity against a low flopped flush. I don't get why he wouldn't call and get it in on any turn? (BTW, I'm assuming I'm just missing the boat, not that you're wrong)

Calling does not extract enough extra value to compensate for the times we give our opponent a free card to beat us. Additionally, if that free card is a spade, we also lose value against flopped non-nut flushes that will be reluctant to put in much more money. Moreover, if we shove instead of call, I think we're actually rooting for the SB to fold sets and AsX.
08-07-2009, 09:39 PM

why would you leave $8 over
say the guy has a lower straight and no flush redraw
he could actually fold that turn since he's dead with no outs, but he'd call the flop shove because he has a straight
08-08-2009, 12:39 AM
Micro2Macro

One thing I'd like to point out is you mention someone is -$6 over a 150 hand sample. What good is it to know that?
08-10-2009, 01:26 PM
stardustakos

yes you are right it is irrelevant