25NL Trying this table-starting thingie

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08-04-2009, 03:36 AM
BluffCheck

25NL Trying this table-starting thingie

Like 10th hand into the match, no reads, except this is his 3rd 3bet since we sat down.

What's the best line here?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($24.50)
Hero (SB) ($25.43)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
Hero bets $0.75, BB raises to $2, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($4) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets $4.25

Total pot: $4
08-04-2009, 03:39 AM
Fnord

You're playing a big pot here, it's just a matter of how you want to go about it.

I don't hate a raise now intending to get it in. Fail that, I'm floating and getting it in on any turn card.
08-04-2009, 10:20 AM
Sam62

I would fold - heres why: I put him on 99-KK, Kx, 10Jh or nothing. We are behind in almost every situation. We have 10+ outs but with heads up play there are more cards in the deck. I would fold sounds like their aggressive and will pay you on a less dangerous flop.
08-04-2009, 10:22 AM
Sam62

I would fold - heres why: I put him on 99-KK, Kx, 10Jh or nothing. We are behind in almost every situation. We have 10+ outs but with heads up play there are more cards in the deck. I would fold sounds like their aggressive and will pay you on a less dangerous flop.
08-04-2009, 10:31 AM
bjsaust

Advantages to raise/call over just shoving Fnord? You think theres a few worse hands that call or shove over than call a shove?
08-04-2009, 10:43 AM
Gobbatino

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Originally Posted by Sam62

heads up play there are more cards in the deck

Omg more cards in the deck! Like, what, 58-60? Give or take?

I like shoving here but it's hard to say with so little history/reads, especially his c-bet, Aggro factor and frequency on the flop.
08-04-2009, 11:02 AM
Sam62

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Originally Posted by Gobbatino

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam62

heads up play there are more cards in the deck

Omg more cards in the deck! Like, what, 58-60? Give or take?.

Well if it was full ring your odds of hitting the a card you need is 10% higher .. Which is alot over time. Lets try to focus on productive commentary. :)
08-04-2009, 11:57 AM
Gobbatino

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Originally Posted by Sam62

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Originally Posted by Gobbatino

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Originally Posted by Sam62

heads up play there are more cards in the deck

Omg more cards in the deck! Like, what, 58-60? Give or take?.

Well if it was full ring your odds of hitting the a card you need is 10% higher .. Which is alot over time. Lets try to focus on productive commentary. :)

:facepalm:

And how did you come up with that conclusion?
08-04-2009, 12:09 PM
Sam62

Ok when responding I see the error in my logic. Haha That's what I get for doing this on my phone during work. I still fold : )
08-04-2009, 02:59 PM
BluffCheck

How's this line of thinking:

He probably still has a pretty wide range here, so we have some decent FE if we shove, and still have good pot equity when we're called, and the pot is huge?
08-04-2009, 04:12 PM
Micro2Macro

$13.25
08-04-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bjsaust

Advantages to raise/call over just shoving Fnord? You think theres a few worse hands that call or shove over than call a shove?

because it's obvious as hell that you have a flush draw when you ship it in
some people will snap call 99 here because they think shove = flush draw

but if you make it just big enough so you can call it off, then it looks scary
hell, just minraise to 8.5 and call it off
08-06-2009, 03:14 AM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam62

I would fold - heres why: I put him on 99-KK, Kx, 10Jh or nothing. We are behind in almost every situation. We have 10+ outs but with heads up play there are more cards in the deck. I would fold sounds like their aggressive and will pay you on a less dangerous flop.

folding is quite bad, we don't always have to have the best hand yo
08-06-2009, 04:32 AM
Sir Pawnalot

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Originally Posted by BluffCheck

How's this line of thinking:

He probably still has a pretty wide range here, so we have some decent FE if we shove, and still have good pot equity when we're called, and the pot is huge?

This is how I am thinking too. Floating is a worse option IMO, because when we miss our equity plummets, and when we hit our FE is too high. Same is true for raising flop especially since its OOP.

Edit: Would you shove or raise with 55? IMO we should play a set and a nut flush draw the same way in this hand. I like to have strong equity hands in my range when shoving or raising here.
08-06-2009, 04:40 AM
Micro2Macro

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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

$13.25
08-09-2009, 10:56 AM
davekp2003

Since you were the SB I assume you checked into him? Would a bet into him have been a better move here.
08-09-2009, 03:42 PM
Micro2Macro

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Originally Posted by davekp2003

Since you were the SB I assume you checked into him? Would a bet into him have been a better move here.

It is heads up so the SB actually has position in this situation thus the BB lead out betting.
08-09-2009, 04:54 PM
davekp2003

my bad, tough position I would most likely fold. But I've been running cold.
08-09-2009, 05:56 PM
wellrounded08

Did I understand correctly when I heard that you are starting new tables at 25nl?