$100NL Multi-Way Pot - Value Betting Nuts

I don't really get into these situations too often, so my question is what would be the best bet on the river?

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($92.50)
CO ($174.90)
Button ($72.20)
Hero (SB) ($106.25)
BB ($42)
UTG ($86.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
2 folds, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, Hero calls $0.50, BB checks

Flop: ($4) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, Button checks

Turn: ($4) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets $4, BB calls $4, CO calls $4, Button calls $4

River: ($20) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (4 players)
Hero???

Full pot? Maybe overbet? Half pot to induce raise? What do you prefer a good value bet would be?? Since there is a possible straight here, I'm leaning towards pot river.

Hmm weird.. mad callers.

Betting into a field of four on that river after already betting the turn flush card just screams flush and ppl will probably fold a ton.

If anyone else has a flush they will probably bet if checked to. A straight might even bet. I might go for a c/bomb here, just cause betting again into so many players looks so strong.

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Originally Posted by griffey24

Hmm weird.. mad callers.

Betting into a field of four on that river after already betting the turn flush card just screams flush and ppl will probably fold a ton.

If anyone else has a flush they will probably bet if checked to. A straight might even bet. I might go for a c/bomb here, just cause betting again into so many players looks so strong.

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Interesting. I didn't think of that but good point. I just hope we don't miss our value bet opportunity if we check.

I guess it would help if I mention that BB is regular and CO and Button are loose passive players

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Originally Posted by Kid Style

I guess it would help if I mention that BB is regular and CO and Button are loose passive players

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before you said this i would have agreed with griffey, but with CO/BT being LP fish, i think betting like $14 here is going to be the best value, and there's not much to begin with as griffey said. The fish are just going to check behind way too much to make a c/r pay off imo.

also, this is the perfect flop to lead.

The straight isn't very likely and because of the loose/passiveness of the the other players this really should be a bet. I'd bet close to pot and expect a possible raise from a lesser flush.

bode - Lead this flop? I guess the intention is to barrel people off hands later?

bet flop, bet like 16 on river

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Originally Posted by dev

The straight isn't very likely and because of the loose/passiveness of the the other players this really should be a bet. I'd bet close to pot and expect a possible raise from a lesser flush.

bode - Lead this flop? I guess the intention is to barrel people off hands later?

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Yeah, I don't think it's a good idea to bet flop...especially me being first to act. But the passiveness of the other players may warrant a bet? In a 4-way pot, I'd expect someone to hit the board though.

by leading we hope to fold out 5x or 44 type hands that still have a lot of equity against us
if someone has Qx then we actually don't mind because we have implied odds against that hand

it's kind of a two way bet where we want to make our opponent's range strong instead of weak so when we make our flush we get paid off, and the hands that don't pay off our flush fold the flop

now if a lot of people would call with 5x or AJ in this spot then it's a bad time to bet

I would have bet flop. Thoughts?

If nothing else its good to start building pot. Cant see much option on the river as played except to bet a decent amount and hope for a call.

Betting a drawy board like this I'd expect to get raised as often as called. Maybe not against loose/passives but suppose they're mediocre taggs. Then are we still leading?

i would expect to get raised nearly never

i mean who cares if they raise, just fold they probably have a set. if they are a donk they probably like minraise it so you can call anyways. I think people in this thread underestimate the strength of the nfd.

Beting the turn as a semi bluff is not a good idea?

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Originally Posted by Renton

i would expect to get raised nearly never

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This, are you guys never leading out in multiway limped pots with flush draws? Your fold equity is much higher than you think on flops like this, and why are you worried about getting called? You have the nfd with initiative. Also, people will be folding worse draws like never.

stardustakos, we bet the turn with the nut flush, we are not semi-bluffing.

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Originally Posted by Renton

i would expect to get raised nearly never

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Ahhh....how right you are now that I think about it. Ok, bet flop seems better.