A few hands for review

It's been awhile since I've posted any hands and my play has been maybe fair although I am having a hard time getting ahead so I thought I'd post a few hands and get roasted.

1.) This first hand villian is a pretty descent player running 16/9/2.8 over 267 hands. Really just pretty str8 forward player.

$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG born_2_bleuf ($10.85)
UTG+1 zuldgin ($5.65)
CO Runegulb ($1.35)
BTN keymaster4u ($8.05)
SB DocMarkz ($10.65)
BB Hero ($10.95)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is BB :ah: :as:
born_2_bleuf raises to $0.40, 3 folds, DocMarkz calls $0.35, Hero raises to $1.20, born_2_bleuf calls $0.80, DocMarkz folds

Flop: :qs: :4d: :5h: ($2.80, 2 players)
Hero bets $2, born_2_bleuf raises to $5, Hero ?


2) I really don't have much on the villian in this hand 45/21/9 but only 29 hands. I'm thinking he's a bit of a maniac but haven't really came to any conclusions at this point. Question here really is with this board is it time to get away or shove? Should I give up with the flop raise??

$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG AlexanDroF ($2.00)
UTG+1 octodread ($9.60)
MP PhreakinPhil ($1.85)
CO PedoUdo ($11.75)
BTN Leopard 111 ($10.20)
SB frje ($9.75)
BB Hero ($11.80)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 7 players) Hero is BB :js: :ts:
1 fold, octodread calls $0.10, 2 folds, Leopard 111 raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10, octodread calls $0.10

Flop: :9h: :jd: :th: ($0.65, 3 players)
Hero bets $0.50, octodread calls $0.50, Leopard 111 raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1, octodread folds

Turn: :5c: ($4.15, 2 players)
Hero bets $1, Leopard 111 raises to $5, Hero ??

What could/should I have done differently on these?

Hand 1
Well, born_2_bleuf was born to bluff, so he's probably bluffing and you have to call, right? :) I don't know how well you table select or what notes you have, but for a reasonably good table selection against an average to unknown, I probably stack off here. If he hit a set, hats off to him. For this villain, it's a little trickier. You have played several hands with him and have some good baseline data. Assuming the two of you have no history and your image is clean and your read is correct, I perceive his range as very narrow: QQ, AQ, KK, and AA as the most likely holdings. You can pretty much eliminate AA because there is exactly one hand combination to have that, so it's highly unlikely. So, now you're left with QQ, AQ, and KK. Unless you specifically have a read that he won't stack off with an over pair, I probably call.

Hand 2
I don't think you should donk lead the flop or turn. You'll get more information if you check and see what your villain does, plus you under-represent your hand, which will benefit you whether you're ahead or behind. As played, you're building a big pot without a good idea of where you stand. 29 hands isn't a lot, but it's probably enough with those stats to reluctantly make a call and take some notes to have some reads for next time if you're wrong. If villain truly is 45/21/9, I think you'll be ahead here most of the time to be profitable. Hopefully he shows up with something like AJ, KJ, QJ, draw, or air, but obviously made str8's and sets are always possible long term.

Hand 1 is a really easy re-raise all-in.
Hand 2 is a fun spot, but I'd probably just shove.

is a 16/9 going to be calling a 3bet with much less than QQ+ , AK. ? if he had KK,AA would he have 4bet pre?. of that range you are winning 2/3 of the time preflop . But is he going to raise you on the flop with AK? I'd probably have bet $2.50 on the flop. theres now 3 combos of QQ that beat you 1 AA that ties and 6 combos of KK that you beat.
You don't mention your image, but is he likely to be figuring you for AQ or KQ. I've been guilty of shoving over in this situation and quite often its just folded out the worse and been called by the QQ , 44,55. the 44 55 dont strictly have pot odds to call your preflop 3bet. so I'd probably call and reevaluate on the turn.

hand 2 lots of draws so i'd want to get money in while i'm still ahead and price them out of the draws.turn bet looks really weak, he could be doing this with KJ QJ QT. I've bet like this to get people to raise over so that i can go all in . with his stats he's going to bet the turn so i'd probably let him bet and see what he does .I'd probably shove over as played and expect him to be on a draw.

edit: my graph is very swingy though. :)

Your definately ahead in hand one so its an easy shove

In hand two, I cant see your opponent having anything but a strait. That doesn't mean you dont have outs though. I would see the river and if you catch a 10 or a Jack, you can win the pot. If a heart comes on the river, you can probably make a bluff at it and take it down.

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Originally Posted by golfguy37

Your definately ahead in hand one so its an easy shove

In hand two, I cant see your opponent having anything but a strait. That doesn't mean you dont have outs though. I would see the river and if you catch a 10 or a Jack, you can win the pot. If a heart comes on the river, you can probably make a bluff at it and take it down.

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you need to start putting people on a range of hands and not a single hand and factor in there playing styles.

hand 1: if he's as straightforward as you say he is, then QQ is the only hand that beats us here. i'm def willing to stack off here but don't see why we have to do it on the flop, when there are exactly zero scare cards in the deck (fnord, why you bringing your LAggtastic ideas to the BC and blowin' our minds?)

hand 2: calling the min-raise OOP is very meh for me. would prolly 3bet here, assuming he folds out pretty often and knowing that our hand plays decent against his continuing range

flop donk is even meh-er. we are in a really bad spot if he checks behind so i understand why you did it, but you said he's a maniac so let him come to you. then again if there's even the slightest chance that this'll get checked around, i guess you are obligated to bet.

turn is the meh-est of the meh. i guess you were trying to trap him? but if you were then you got what you wanted and you would push without posting it on FTR with all those question marks behind hero's turn to act on the turn. PSB or don't bet at all in this instance

Keith, ok Im not really sure how. I dont know what the x/x/x means if that has anything to do with it.

nish, how is there negative implied odds? Both players aren't drawing. If he makes full housel he wins, unlike if someone makes a strait while another person makes a flush, thats reverse implied odds.

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Originally Posted by golfguy37

Keith, ok Im not really sure how. I dont know what the x/x/x means if that has anything to do with it.

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16/9/2.8 means that hevoluntarily putting money in the pot 16% of the time and 9% ofthe time he's the preflop raiser he's raising nearly 3 times the number of times he calls . At 6 max this is pretty TAG stats.

hand 2's villain is putting money in the pot voluntarily 45% of the time and raising preflop 21% of the time. This means he'll call with an extremely wide range and be raising preflop with a pretty wide range as well. the 9 for aggression means that hes raising 9 times more often than he calls , so hes ultra aggressive.

These stats are where with experience you can start to develop an intuitive sense of what a players starting hands are.Download pokerstove and you can put play around with the preflop hands to give yourself an idea what top 5% , 10% , 15% 20% 25% of hands are. Once you have an idea of what cards he could have started with , then you can start to work out how well his range has connected with the flop.

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Originally Posted by Keith_MM

16/9/2.8 means that hevoluntarily putting money in the pot 16% of the time and 9% ofthe time he's the preflop raiser he's raising nearly 3 times the number of times he calls . At 6 max this is pretty TAG stats.

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I'm not so sure on either of these counts. First, "he's raising nearly 3 times the number of times he calls"... In general he's open raising 9% of his hands and limping/cold calling an additional 7%. I'm not sure where the 3x is... A pre-flop raise also implies a voluntary put in pot -- at least as I understand PT/HEM stats -- one is therefore a subset of the other. Hence the 7:9 comparison....

Second, at 6max IMHO this is a nit, not a TAG... I run 18/15, and I am def on the nittier side... His gap between vpip & PFR means he's passively playing a big chunk of his pre-flop range.

Thanks for teh post Keith.

nish, unless he has both the strait and the flush draw, he doesn't have reverse implied odds. Even if he has both, I think he's still ahead.

heres a quote form robbs noobie guide about aggression factor ( the thrd number)

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The formula for Aggression Factor (AF) is:

AF = ( Bets + Raises) / Calls

We don't need to calculate it. Just know this. Having an AF of 2 (twice as many bets/raises as calls) is a reasonable breaking point. AF's > 2 are generally aggressive, and AF's < 2 are generally passive.

You can use a HUD to gather this information precisely, or you can do the analogue "note taking" version. Simply mark on a piece of paper during the first 30 hands while you're at the table which villains open and how they play postflop. Mark when they limp or call preflop, and mark when they bet/raise or call postflop. If a villain bets or raises about twice as often as he calls (AF = 2), think of that as "honest" or neutral aggression, betting good hands and folding bad hands. Villains who bet or raise three times more often than calling (or more, AF > 3), they are aggressive and are often firing cbets, bluffs or semi-bluffs. Villains who bet or raise about as often as they call are passive (AF ~ 1), typically calling stations who chase bad hands and don't bet their good hands often enough.

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and the source of this quote is http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...20hands%20nl10 which is well worth reading.