A few non standard hands

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06-18-2009, 10:57 AM
Toadstool

A few non standard hands

BB is probably the most aggro player I have played with in two years. squeeze of 60%, 23/22 w/ 20% 3 bet over 600 hands. fold to 3 and 4 bet of 0%. He's also a reg in these games. He thinks i'm an absolute monkey/calling station.

BTN is tricky, he C/R me w/ the nuts earlier in the session, but apart from that he seems pretty normal, i'm sure his preflop and flop range are extremely wide since BB's range is literally top 60% of hands.

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HAND #1
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Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BB: $531.50 (265.8 bb)
CO: $172 (86 bb)
BTN: $470.05 (235 bb)
Hero (SB): $700.60 (350.3 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with K:club: Q:club:
CO folds, BTN raises to $6, Hero calls $5, BB raises to $28, BTN calls $22, Hero calls $22

Flop: ($84) Q:heart: 2:club: 5:spade: (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $56, BTN calls $56, Hero calls $56

Turn: ($252) K:diamond: (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $128, Hero calls $128, BB folds

River: ($508) 8:spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $258.05 and is all-in, Hero calls $258.05

Villain in the next two hands is the BB from hand one. I'd been folding to most of his 3 bets so far, had 4 bet about 5 times and he has called every time.

Any more info just ask.
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HAND #2
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Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (BTN): $298 (149 bb)
SB: $745.95 (373 bb)
BB: $385.50 (192.8 bb)
CO: $34 (17 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with Q:club: T:heart:
CO folds, Hero raises to $5.75, SB folds, BB raises to $22, Hero raises to $46, BB calls $24

Flop: ($93) A:heart: J:heart: 4:club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $30, BB raises to $86, Hero calls $56

Turn: ($265) 2:club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $24, BB calls $24

River: ($313) Q:diamond: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $18, BB calls $18

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HAND #3
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Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (MP): $388 (194 bb)
CO: $566.45 (283.2 bb)
BTN: $195 (97.5 bb)
SB: $256.65 (128.3 bb)
BB: $374.60 (187.3 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP with 5:spade: 5:heart:
[color="red"]Hero raises to $7, CO calls $7, BTN raises to $30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $61, CO folds, BTN calls $31

Flop: ($132) K:heart: A:heart: J:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $20, BTN calls $20

Turn: ($172) K:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $20, BTN calls $20

River: ($212) 4:spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $106, BTN calls $94 and is all-in
06-18-2009, 11:51 AM
mcatdog

By 0% fold to 4-bets, do you mean any size 4-bet? So he's 3-betting 65s and then calling a jam for 100 BB? And he's a reg? How does he have any money? Because I would definitely jam the 55 preflop against most anyone with 20% 3bet but maybe not against this guy.
06-18-2009, 12:07 PM
griffey24

Hand 2 - are you betting to induce and b/c river?

Hand 3 - I'd probably just ship it pre, instead of having to almost certainly play 55 OOP vs this guy. Ship pre if opener isn't too tight I guess.
06-18-2009, 01:46 PM
RugbyDonk

hand 1 - c/r flop

hand 2 - fold flop

hand 3 - ship it pre
06-18-2009, 02:02 PM
IowaSkinsFan

Hand 1: You should threebet pre here, I don't like being postflop in the SB without initiative, especially in a non hu pot. As played I think it looks good.

Hand 2 and 3: Wtf are you doing
06-18-2009, 03:39 PM
thizzSantaCruz

hand 1- looks good

hand 2- I rather call the 3 bet there with QT and give us more room to maneuver post flop. You would have position and are ahead of his 3 betting range. He isn't folding to 4 bets at all so if you do 4 bet put more pressure on him by making larger bets. Regulars will fold to smallish bets in 3 bet pots on certain boards, but not this spazz monkey.

hand 3- ship preflop
06-18-2009, 09:12 PM
meeloche

1) Agree with ISF 100%

2) I would never 4 bet this hand against this maniac flop b/f is fine but after that I have no idea whats going on. Looks like you pwned yourself pretty good.

3) If you're gonna 4 b/c 55 here you have to make it bigger pre.

In general vs this guy I'd just widen my 4 bet value range and make it huge preflop.
06-18-2009, 09:27 PM
Alexos

1) What ISF said
2)4bet a little bigger pre given stacks.. postflop seems fps
3)again 4bet a little bigger pre, obv dont shove but we dont wanna commit if CO has a hand..maybe 77$. postflop seems fps again
06-19-2009, 10:48 PM
Kid Style

Am I reading this right? $24 in $265 for Hand 2 and $20 in $162 on Hand 3?
06-20-2009, 08:28 AM
Toadstool

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcatdog

By 0% fold to 4-bets, do you mean any size 4-bet? So he's 3-betting 65s and then calling a jam for 100 BB? And he's a reg? How does he have any money? Because I would definitely jam the 55 preflop against most anyone with 20% 3bet but maybe not against this guy.

I was playing with him over multiple tables, I played with him about 2 months ago and so I'm sure he's a reg. Generally he was pretty deep with most people which was probably a factor in him never folding to a 3/4bet. I'm not sure how he would have reacted to a larger than usual 4 bet as I had only seen standard sizes being used. I doubt he would just call off with anything though if someone 4 bet jammed or something as he knew what he was doing. I think he is just really suspicious, quite an ego player, loves to bluff but hates to be bluffed. constantly expects everyone to be playing back because he knows they know he's bluffing. The obvious solution....don't bluff, just dramatically widen your value range.

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"Hand 2 - are you betting to induce and b/c river? "

Yes

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hand 1 - c/r flop

hand 2 - fold flop

hand 3 - ship it pre

Why?

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hand 2- I rather call the 3 bet there with QT and give us more room to maneuver post flop. You would have position and are ahead of his 3 betting range. He isn't folding to 4 bets at all so if you do 4 bet put more pressure on him by making larger bets. Regulars will fold to smallish bets in 3 bet pots on certain boards, but not this spazz monkey.

I do agree with what you say, but saying i'm ahead of his 3 betting range is the same as saying i'm ahead of his 4 bet calling range as he never folds to 4 bets.

I also agree that calling is better however because the higher SPR ratio would mean position is more important.

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Am I reading this right? $24 in $265 for Hand 2 and $20 in $162 on Hand 3?

Yes, Hand 2 - his range to 3 bet is probably top 70% of hands here, his range to call the 4 bet also leaves his range at top 70% of hands. When he C/R the flop i'd narrow his range down to the top 50% of hands. What does he put me on? I've 4 bet, and b/c flop. In his mind surely I would have the top 10%+ which is completely destroying his range there. Why do i need to bet big on the turn? I don't. Im sure he would fire a flush draw 90% of the time so I can pretty much eliminate that from his range. Same applies for Ax. So his range here is x% air y% <Jx. why do i need to bet big to get these hands to fold? Also, given he doesn't raise me i'm not confident on the river that his hand is <Jx, and my range is waaaaaay ahead of that, I'm bombing a blank river seeing as how my range is crushing his. As played i'm betting tiny to hope he turns some shit hand into a bluff and snap.

Hand 3 is pretty much the same reasoning.

For those who are interested he has 22 in hand 1, called and mucked hand 2, and K8 in hand 3.[/quote]
06-20-2009, 08:49 AM
Luke999

Hand 1: I think we can fold the river. There is just like nothing he is shoving the river for value with that we beat.

Hand 2: I like.

Hand 3: Unsure on. I agree with he'd bet a FD and any Ax from the description, and there is no need to bet huge to get him to fold a low PP or Jx given we 4bet and he is almost always crushed.