2NL 4bet or fold?

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05-30-2009, 07:42 PM
StevenCJames

2NL 4bet or fold?

This is my first time posting a hand.

No stats and no real read, only the third hand played at the table.

In one other hand played against UTG, I folded to his re-raise when I had KQo and the flop was AJx

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from

CO ($4.80)
Button ($2.89)
SB ($0.96)
BB ($2.08)
UTG ($3.02)
Hero (UTG+1) ($2.76)
MP1 ($1.61)
MP2 ($1.57)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A:club:, 9:club:
UTG bets $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, 2 folds, CO calls $0.04, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.15) 7:club:, 6:club:, 9:spade: (3 players)
UTG bets $0.04, Hero raises to $0.18, 1 fold, UTG raises to $0.76...

What should my next move be?

Pokerstove says I have about 75-80% equity
05-30-2009, 07:51 PM
Illfavor

Re: 2NL 4bet or fold?

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevenCJames

Pokerstove says I have about 75-80% equity

Against what range?

Assuming this is accurate, which it isn't, then how in the hell would we consider folding?
05-30-2009, 07:57 PM

Board: 7c 6c 9s

Hand 0: 49.708% { 66+ }
Hand 1: 50.292% { Ac9c }

ship it!!
05-30-2009, 08:00 PM
StevenCJames

I tried it a few different ways:

Code:

Hand 0: 80.067% 79.02% 01.05% 412264 5467.00 { Ac9c } Hand 1: 19.933% 18.89% 01.05% 98532 5467.00 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }

Code:

Hand 0: 75.972% 74.72% 01.25% 79154 1323.00 { Ac9c } Hand 1: 24.028% 22.78% 01.25% 24130 1323.00 { 88+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }

Code:

Hand 0: 67.910% 67.20% 00.71% 37257 392.50 { Ac9c } Hand 1: 32.090% 31.38% 00.71% 17398 392.50 { 88+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }
05-30-2009, 08:01 PM
Monsieur_chat

Jam it homeboy.
05-30-2009, 08:02 PM
Jason

I'd push it in.
05-30-2009, 08:10 PM

your pokerstove range should include 66 and 77 always, underpair and two overcards never

KcQc is the only hand combination I missed (which is not the same as KQs)
05-31-2009, 12:16 AM
Illfavor

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevenCJames

I tried it a few different ways:

Code:

Hand 0: 80.067% 79.02% 01.05% 412264 5467.00 { Ac9c } Hand 1: 19.933% 18.89% 01.05% 98532 5467.00 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }

Code:

Hand 0: 75.972% 74.72% 01.25% 79154 1323.00 { Ac9c } Hand 1: 24.028% 22.78% 01.25% 24130 1323.00 { 88+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }

Code:

Hand 0: 67.910% 67.20% 00.71% 37257 392.50 { Ac9c } Hand 1: 32.090% 31.38% 00.71% 17398 392.50 { 88+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }

You need to specify to the stove the suits of these hands. People are not stacking off with KQo in this spot.
05-31-2009, 02:06 AM
Stacks

or 33-55, J4s, etc..

You do realize, that once we get to the flop we are no longer considering just the range of hands he has preflop right? We now have to consider out of the hands he plays this way preflop, what hands does he play like this on the flop? And he is very unlikely to be doing this with hands like Jd4d, A2o, etc, which you have included in your first range.

I doubt he minraises all of those hands preflop. And even if he does I highly doubt he bets the flop, then 3bets with those hands. You have to change his range depending on every action you take, and he takes.

And if you did think you actually had 80% equity, how can you consider doing anything but shoving?
06-02-2009, 10:09 PM
StevenCJames

Stacks,
I wasn't using poker stove at the table while playing, just when reviewing afterwords. But those are very good points. I just started looking at pokerstove so I've still got to learn how to use it.

All I was thinking was TPTK with A high flush draw.

I moved all in after his 3bet and he called

Hero raises to $2.72 (All-In), UTG calls $1.96

Turn: ($5.59) 7:spade: (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($5.59) J:heart: (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $5.59 | Rake: $0.25

I didn't hit anything and UTG turns over

7:heart:7:diamond:

:doh:
06-03-2009, 03:34 AM

that's fine
06-03-2009, 11:49 PM
sarbox68

I never get upset losing to quads... it's like god reached down, tapped you on the shoulder, thereby politely interrupting your conversation, although in the most considerate of fashion, and said "You're f-cked".
06-04-2009, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarbox68

I never get upset losing to quads... it's like god reached down, tapped you on the shoulder, thereby politely interrupting your conversation, although in the most considerate of fashion, and said "You're f-cked".

I DO mind losing a boat vs. a straight flush though
06-04-2009, 12:47 AM
sarbox68

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarbox68

I never get upset losing to quads... it's like god reached down, tapped you on the shoulder, thereby politely interrupting your conversation, although in the most considerate of fashion, and said "You're f-cked".

I DO mind losing a boat vs. a straight flush though

Ain't that 3rd and 4th River card a b!tch..... :shock: