Hero call.

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03-23-2009, 11:59 PM
Ragnar4

Hero call.

Villan was 9/8 over 70 hands, and legitimately better than me.
He was also a gold star.

I had seen him take down quite a few pots up till this point by shoving scare cards. The problem was 2fold. His raise didn't make sense on the turn for a flush draw, and his river shove didn't make sense for a set...
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($4)
UTG ($2.24)
UTG+1 ($2.90)
MP1 ($0.90)
MP2 ($3.22)
CO ($6.96)
Hero (Button) ($2.65)
SB ($1.54)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 3 folds, Hero bets $0.12, 1 fold, BB calls $0.10, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.29) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.69) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.48, BB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.52

River: ($2.69) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets $2.68 (All-In), Hero holds his breath and calls $1.33 (All-In)

Total pot: $5.35 | Rake: $0.25
03-24-2009, 12:01 AM
Ragnar4

also, I realized I was getting 3-1 to call, and figgured I was good here a little bit more than that because he was so prone to bluffing.
03-24-2009, 12:29 AM
flomo

fuck the stars

that shit don't mean shit
03-24-2009, 12:38 AM
Azazel

Why would river shove not make sense for a set, Pot is $2.60 and he's effectively betting $1.33 what else would he bet? I think he has you beat here, chances are your not laying down many hands after calling the reraise on turn and getting 3:1 on river. But if he takes this line with QJ/QK or bluffs at all too good odds to fold.
03-24-2009, 12:44 AM
mieczkowusc

I didn't know they had hero calls down at 2nl :P

I think that you answered your own question with the 3-1 on the call. If he is bluffing, or has a worse Q than you 25-30% of the time, then the call is +EV.
03-24-2009, 12:47 AM
Ragnar4

I'm just waiting for someone on here to say. OMG TERRIBAD CALL HE OBV HAS A FLUSH HERE!

or something to that effect.
03-24-2009, 12:52 AM
JKDS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

also, I realized I was getting 3-1 to call, and figgured I was good here a little bit more than that because he was so prone to bluffing.

/thread
03-24-2009, 01:16 AM
Ragnar4

Quote:

Originally Posted by JKDS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

also, I realized I was getting 3-1 to call, and figgured I was good here a little bit more than that because he was so prone to bluffing.

/thread

Ok.. so due to my own evaluation, that makes this call correct.

But do people here agree with my analysis? Is it typical to end up in these situations getting 3-1 and seeing a call on this board? Is this an anomaly?
03-24-2009, 01:37 AM
JKDS

Once we get to the river, it seems like an easy call against this villain based on reads that he likes betting scare cards. I think his range is skewed towards pairs alot here, maybe AA KK if he slow plays them. I discount these alot simply because its a wierd play and i think he would rather raise these from the blinds. I dont see a 9/8 calling with KQ here, so i really think your only facing 22+. Based on your reads that he bluffs scare cards and the many scare cards there, i think he would bluff with missed pairs.

Turn seems fine too. We are getting great odds, and only need like 20% to continue and i think he bluffs at least 1/5 of the time. Granted, i wasnt there and am going off of your reads alone here but i still think we have enough equity against made hands there too though i didnt run it :(

Usually though, i dont think players at 2nl will be just betting like this without a strong hand. Had it not been for reads given, the river is probably a fold because i think the only hands we beat on the river are his bluffs.
03-24-2009, 01:59 AM
Micro2Macro

his line is just so retardedly retarded I call because if he's a gold star playing a 2nl table he's probably there due to tilting hard at 10nl+..that and you're getting okay pot odds blah blah blah but seriously wtf is he repping on the turn a 7? a FD? A top pair? A mid pair? I call, again because his line is so fucked and if he's a gold star running 9/8 playing 2nl he obv. sucks at life.

sorry for the shitty analysis, basically I'm calling cuz im obv jealous of his little stars :drunk:
03-24-2009, 03:28 AM
oskar

That's a fucked up hand. He's really repping 22 or 77
Over 70 hands I would think it's more likely though that he's looser than 9/8 and can potentially have 67, 78 here.
If you haven't seen him minraise on a pure bluff, then I would fold the river without thinking twice. This is such an insanely strong line, and has still so little value as a bluff at the micros - because everyone's a showdown monkey that I don't think this can really be a bluff. The only thing he could be potentially minraising the turn with is a semi-bluff, and the flush got there, so... I have no idea what you expect to beat here.
It's stoopid because you're getting 3:1, but I don't think you have even 25% equity.
03-24-2009, 09:43 AM
Vinland

Wow...this hand is so interesting...
Given his stats as a tight player, would we expect him to have a 7 in his hand with an A or K? Maybe not with those stats.
Pocket 7's are very unlikely, so that leaves 22, 78, 67, overpairs that he thought he'd slowplay or a fd.
It might be a stretch given his stats to call your pf raise with 67, 78.

He could have a KhXh or AhXh where X is another high card.

My problem is his turn raise....its just begging for a call imo.
I wouldn't be surprised if he had QhKh and he raised the turn with 2 pair and hit his flush on river and shoved.

If I'm off someone correct me.

This hand is great....
03-24-2009, 09:52 AM
Luco

I'm guessing air. Maybe a Queen in the hole.

The flop could be a float with overs, turn & river are both repping scare cards. Take his monees.
03-24-2009, 10:15 AM
BooG690

Would love to know what he ended up having.
03-24-2009, 11:56 AM
Ragnar4

Quote:

Originally Posted by BooG690

Would love to know what he ended up having.

99
03-24-2009, 12:00 PM
Vinland

Quote:

BooG690 wrote:
Would love to know what he ended up having.

99

Ummm.....right....yeah....thats what I put him on....

nice call.....
03-24-2009, 12:13 PM
Luco

Because no-one who DID have a 7 would have bet that big.
03-24-2009, 12:48 PM
sil693

we have top pair. how is this a hero call?
03-24-2009, 01:58 PM
Ragnar4

Because he's repping a rediculously polarized range of either
A) Blargh I have you crushed
B) please don't call my well structured bluff on this co-ordinated board.

Perhaps I don't understand what a herocall is? I figgured it was just a soulread in a situation where the choice is difficult? It sure was difficult for me at the time.

Not difficult for you I assume.
03-24-2009, 02:42 PM
sil693

if i know he shoves river scare cards with bluffs then no. like you said, a set probably raises the flop (and the 7 on the turn makes it very unlikely he has 77), his turn minraise doesn't make sense with a FD. i call too. in fact with the turn being a good card for us I probably ship it in there just in case he has decided to spazz out with a FD or some weak Qx because he now has lol2purrrr.
03-24-2009, 02:46 PM
Muzzard

Quote:

Originally Posted by sil693

if i know he shoves river scare cards with bluffs then no. like you said, a set probably raises the flop (and the 7 on the turn makes it very unlikely he has 77), his turn minraise doesn't make sense with a FD. i call too. in fact with the turn being a good card for us I probably ship it in there just in case he has decided to spazz out with a FD or some weak Qx because he now has lol2purrrr.

+1 ship turn plz sir