Flopped set. Don't feel too smart about what I did.

Was it really dumb for me to do that on the turn? My intuition said I should and for sake of not ruining the result, I won't say if I lost or not. I really felt like he had a flush draw, so when the turn hit, I went AI to... bluff/bet? I was nervous that he might have had pocket 7's or 4's though.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($4.10)
MP1 ($0.40)
MP2 ($0.37)
CO ($0.28)
Button ($0.57)
SB ($5.45)
Hero (BB) ($3.94)
UTG ($2)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
UTG checks, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.10) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.24

Turn: ($0.70) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3.62 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $3.62

River: ($7.94) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $7.94 | Rake: $0.52

The thing here is, what's he going to call a 5x pot bet with that you're beating?

Possibly he hit 2 pair when the 9 hit, and I guess if he had 97 of hearts it would be an easy call with so many outs but I don't think a flush draw is going to call it off here, especially now there are 2 flush draws.

With no raise pre and villain just limping in EP then raising you so heavily on that board I'm going to say you're up agains 44, 77 or 56

1) why would you be nervous of a set of 4's or 7's? you really cant be profitable if you flop a set and hit the breaks in case your opponent has you set over set... if your loose set over set, thats basically a cooler and your almost expected to go broke IMO.

2) if you think your villian is on a flush draw an all in shove is not a bluff as you have a set... on your reasoning its for protection, although very poorly done for the following reasons:

*there is really no point in over betting the pot at all.. bet the pot and your giving bad odds. a call with no heart on the turn and u bet 3/4 pot and if your read is good and he calls you've extracted mistakes on both streets

* if you just shove, there is no hand worse than yours that is calling in this situation IMO. the only hands that are calling that gross shove are higher sets and flopped straights. due to the preflop limping you can forget high overpairs that may otherwise call.

*i your villian is going to fold, a pot sized bet should have the same effect, so why risk your whole stack to find out if he will fold?

Why aren't you reraising the flop?

There is no reason to overbet the turn. Just charge people with a PSB or 3/4s. If a flush hits on the river, they will likely either check to slowplay (where you can check behind and get a free showdown), or donk out. If you know that the villain always donks the river with a flush, you can fold pretty confidently. Sometimes the villain will throw out an absurdly weak bet, in which case its an easy call.

Second, if you ran into pocket 7s, 4s, or 9s, its a cooler and move on with your life. Set over set happens. Same deal if he flopped a straight, except you likely have ten outs on the flop and 13 on the turn to hit your boat.

Villain could be stacking off with crap so bad at 2nl that I couldn't even come up with a range for you.

the hands that beat you are 77/44
the opponent could also have 55-66 88-TT that he limps
for a set. He sees that he has an overpair and raises.
If we get set over set its a cooler.
I dont get the shove on the turn.
DO opponents at 2nl raise with flush draws.
I have only seen this at 5nl and 10nl (stars)
and will he put in 180bb for a flush draw

Raise flop with this. He's just told you he likes it or he's a moron. Either will be fine, RAISE!
The above posts are correct, no need to be over the pot size here. If this guy is willing to pay huge bets to chase his flush, just pray he stays at the table a long time, cause he'll be giving out donations.
You DO have to worry about the flopped straight. If you raised flop or bet pot on the turn and he just calls, I'd be wary and check/call the rest of the way.

Yeah thanks guys. I have leaks and little experience with pocket pairs. I'm just not too sure what to do with them yet. Although the amount of experience / knowledge I'm gaining per session is growing very fast, which is good.

I think one motivation to go AI on the turn was cause I felt like he was gonna call, and I felt that he couldn't beat my hand. And I know that that kind of intuition is ONLY valid at 2NL, so I should never do that again for the sake of developing a leaky habit.

And yes, they do call AI with flush draws all the time in my experience.

Once it seems like no one wants to comment on the hand anymore, I'll reveal the results because you guys will find it... interesting? I can't provide anymore reasoning for what I did without ruining the results.

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I was nervous that he might have had pocket 7's or 4's though.

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not to mention flopped straights, 2 pairs...

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I felt that he couldn't beat my hand

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i think your reasoning and ideas change so dramatically and lack consistency through a lot of your threads..

thinking your hand is unbeatable on that flop is a leak IMO

2 pair obv a typo last post. my bad

At 2nl (and indeed some levels above) you can probably shove over his reraise on this flop and expect a call.

Just bet a normal amount
getting called is a good result

but you're not going to get called that often

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i think your reasoning and ideas change so dramatically and lack consistency through a lot of your threads..

thinking your hand is unbeatable on that flop is a leak IMO

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It really is a leak! I'm still in the process of identifying my MANY leaks and I try to bring common sense into it, but not in a very good way.

I don't have a plan of attack yet for all situations, so if I'm ever not sure of what I should do, I go with my gut (which of course is not correct all the time). And then afterwards, I look at the hand and think of all the things that went through my head. And every hand, I have a different gut feeling, and therefore, my reasoning lacks consistency.

I'm really glad you said that, because it actually made me realize a lot about myself.

I'm guessing 56 of hearts for the straight flush either that or A5 of hearts for the straight flush.

If you flop a set on that board raise and the guy comes back at you I would have reraise him here to .80. If you lose you lose if you flop a set on that board I don't think you can lay it down.

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don't have a plan of attack yet for all situations, so if I'm ever not sure of what I should do, I go with my gut

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have you read much theory? or do you have basic level of understanding about the game and are basically teaching yourself with the help of FTR? im just curious...

there was a point where i enjoyed the game, knew how to play.. but didnt know how to play.. then i starting reading theory and formulated approaches to various situations from that..

to be honest ive been reading from a great site (not sure if im allowed to mention on FTR thread?) and get advise here for little things like, helping assign ranges in different situations not "how do i play small pairs" period.

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I'm really glad you said that, because it actually made me realize a lot about myself.

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lol.. i didnt think my comments would make u take a long hard look at yourself.. but glad to help!

although you were playing smallest no limit i would slow play abit im not scared of the 9 of spades and if i lose then good for the winner. i would have to say if i were playing higher stake though i would bet more than i would with lower limits. dont know if that helps, i take it you won that hand?

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I don't have a plan of attack yet for all situations, so if I'm ever not sure of what I should do, I go with my gut (which of course is not correct all the time). And then afterwards, I look at the hand and think of all the things that went through my head. And every hand, I have a different gut feeling, and therefore, my reasoning lacks consistency.

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You should always have a plan when you are going to play a hand.

Example: You pick up AdQd in late position and there are two limpers.

Your opponents have the following tendencies:
1. Villain A likes to chase flushes but will fold to a bet on the river if he doesn't get there. However, he will call very large bets, regardless of pot odds. This villain has a very low aggression factor.

2. Villain B is somewhat loose-passive and will call down with any piece of the board, but will check-raise most top pairs he gets, even if its weak.

When in this situation, I'm looking to make my standard isolation raise, hoping that both players come along for the ride.

If both come along, i'm not cbetting unless I have two diamonds. Obviously I would be betting an A or Q to take both players to value town.

If Villain A only comes, I'll likely fire three streets because I am likely ahead, and he folds so often that this is profitable.

If Villain B comes, I'll be content to check it down or c/f unless I have a strong draw.

In either situation, if I get check raised on a two diamond flop, I am going to be getting it in right there because I am likely looking at around 14 outs + fold equity.

I don't even need to be playing to know what I would do in specific situations, but that comes with putting in the hands and gaining experience. Obviously the situation I just talked about is about as ABC as you can get, but you probably see my point.

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have you read much theory? or do you have basic level of understanding about the game and are basically teaching yourself with the help of FTR? im just curious...

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Yeah I have read theory and I'm still reading theory, but people told me to play while I'm studying. I haven't developed my theory background enough to be able to determine the correct play in every situation yet though.

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you were playing smallest no limit i would slow play abit

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as micro2macro pointed out nicely in a past post, focus more on betting for value at the micros, as you will get called by shit a lot.

Slowplaying on that wet board would be a mistake at any limit IMO. we still need to protect so that why i have suggested 3/4psb on the turn. c/c lets him dictate the size on the pot if hes drawing, i dont like a c/r..

With 100bb effective stacks you could just call the flop and bet the turn, because you can still make a plausible shove on the river that doesn't represent too small of a range... I'd still prefer a 3-bet.

Here you should 3-bet the flop to ~$0.9 pretty much always because you are so deep, so you need to build a pot if you want to get it in without overbetting and you don't want to give free cards on this board.
There are few situations in NLHE where I think overbetting the pot is correct, and this is definitely not one of them.
Don't try to disguise your hand. They'll outthink themselves, you don't need to do anything. "If he had blah why would he bet so much? ..." *call*

And lead the flop for $0.08

OP seriously needs to think more about calling ranges and not betting ranges in this spot. You need to be called here by more than just hands that beat you and although it's possible that 2 pr and flush draws may call this, sooner or later you won't be playing $2NL and will need to pay more attention.