KK flops flush draw- shove or no?

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03-01-2009, 11:12 PM
Elrohir44

KK flops flush draw- shove or no?

Opponent is 25/11 over 55 hands. A shove here is standard given that the pot was bigger than my stack right? Would it have been best to shove pre instead? My thinking for not shoving pre was that I wanted to make it easier for him to put more money in and I was afraid a shove might fold him. Probably ridiculous since he three bet huh?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (UTG) ($6.24)
MP ($21.90)
Button ($9.35)
SB ($10.08)
BB ($10.27)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, Button calls $0.20, SB raises to $1.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.10, 1 fold, SB calls $1.90

Flop: ($6.45) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.14 (All-In)
03-01-2009, 11:25 PM
dranger7070

Um, that is a really shitty flop for your KK, but you do have a draw to the 2nd nuts, plus theres a chance your opp is drawing too, so I guess a shove wouldn't be terrible given your stack size and the size of the pot.

No, were correct in just 4-betting, 4-bet shoving would have made most hands fold, just because it would be such a huge reraise.
03-01-2009, 11:30 PM
swiggidy

Generally you can 4bet smaller. $2.50 would leave $5.50 pot with $3.50 behind.

You're never folding any flop when your stack is less than 1/2 the pot. This isn't a terrible flop. It would be bad if you had a lot more money behind.
03-02-2009, 11:08 AM
jrini05

I think you are right to shove given the circumstances. Either your ahead and ur person is goin to call with their draw and unless they have the A of spades then your a huge favorite or they call and you need to draw to win, wither way best to get your money in when you think you have the best hand and get the chasers to make a tough decision
03-02-2009, 04:48 PM
Gshark

I agree... seems like a good shove here given your stack size, etc. Not loving that flop though... expect to get called and hope you draw out.
03-03-2009, 02:48 AM

I'd shove 22 with no redraw here because of the stack sizes
03-03-2009, 03:07 AM
ATOTHEC101

WP.
03-03-2009, 03:20 AM
xpaand

I would have definitely gone AI. Out of curiosity, what was the outcome?
03-03-2009, 04:49 AM
AFchung

Quote:

Originally Posted by xpaand

I would have definitely gone AI. Out of curiosity, what was the outcome?

make right decisions. dont worry about the outcome
03-03-2009, 05:17 AM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by xpaand

I would have definitely gone AI. Out of curiosity, what was the outcome?

curiosity killed the cat

guys this is a pretty easy jam PF seeing how the 3bet was to like 24bbs

flop is another spot where pokerstove saves server space
03-03-2009, 06:30 AM
Pig_Vomit

4-bet shove= good

I dont know what you guys are talking about I love this flop?