Turning KK into bluff on the river

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03-01-2009, 07:23 AM
ZwiFT

Turning KK into bluff on the river

Setting up a new table, villain is a reg.. he knows im a reg.

Put him on either flush or a ten, but river made the flush. He checks back and i think he would valuebet flush on the river because he knows i would check back anything with showdown value. And my line looks abit flushhy

Please comment my bluff!

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($111.20)
SB ($99.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
Hero bets $3, SB calls $2.50

Flop: ($6) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises $14, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($34) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $21, Hero calls $21

River: ($76) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $45

Total pot: $76
03-01-2009, 08:03 AM
badgers

nooooo wayyy...

well he's never ever folding better.
03-01-2009, 08:07 AM
ZwiFT

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

nooooo wayyy...

well he's never ever folding better.

feel free to explain
03-01-2009, 08:23 AM
badgers

well I'd expect him to have air a lot here... I think he's going to vbet all his made hands on this river, I guess he can just about have a hand like 77-99 going for a thin (or not depending on history) c/r on the flop. In my experience, 200nl regs when playing heads up don't call oop very wide at all and tend to 3bet/fold too much, I presume 100nl regs are going to have the same tendancies.

I guess he can just about have AQ/KQ also. If I were to bet this river, it would be for value, but I think he's c/fing a lot of the time since he has air. I'd be really very suprised if he's c/fing a T ever. There is definitely value in betting for him and unless he's terrible he's not going to c/f.
03-01-2009, 08:34 AM
ZwiFT

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Originally Posted by badgers

well I'd expect him to have air a lot here... I think he's going to vbet all his made hands on this river, I guess he can just about have a hand like 77-99 going for a thin (or not depending on history) c/r on the flop. In my experience, 200nl regs when playing heads up don't call oop very wide at all and tend to 3bet/fold too much, I presume 100nl regs are going to have the same tendancies.

I guess he can just about have AQ/KQ also. If I were to bet this river, it would be for value, but I think he's c/fing a lot of the time since he has air. I'd be really very suprised if he's c/fing a T ever. There is definitely value in betting for him and unless he's terrible he's not going to c/f.

He was a FR reg, but didn't look like he had any HU experience. He never 3bet, and this is the first time he reraised my cbet. My reasoning for bluffing was that i was behind 100% of the time, and its really unlikely he got a flush. Because i got some history with him I'm not sure, could he really have much air here? There was basicly no huge dynamics built up in this match. And i expect him to think that my riverbets are for value
03-01-2009, 09:38 AM
badgers

well idk, maybe I'm used to playing in more aggressive heads up games. I think we have a lot of showdown value, although I agree that it's a very weird spot for him to c/c, since it's very hard for us to have any bluffs here. In general though, it's pretty hard to make hands heads up and even full ring nits tend to make less heroic laydowns.
03-01-2009, 10:45 AM
oskar

I'd really want to bet this river for value. I don't see why a flush or trips would check. He might have 9T, TJ and wants to play it cautious. But I probably check behind and expect to take it down more often than not.

Why do you think he could lay down trips of a flush there? I don't get it.
03-01-2009, 01:13 PM
ATOTHEC101

betting river for value is too thin without some sort of dynamic, his range feels fairly polarised, you beat all of the one half and he's never folding the other half thus check.
03-01-2009, 01:18 PM
ZwiFT

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Originally Posted by oskar

I'd really want to bet this river for value. I don't see why a flush or trips would check. He might have 9T, TJ and wants to play it cautious. But I probably check behind and expect to take it down more often than not.

Why do you think he could lay down trips of a flush there? I don't get it.

Maybe it was wrong of me not telling you guys more about this hand as it may seem like a wierd spot to bluff without history.

But i felt with the flow of the match, he wouldn't checkraise me without toppair/flushdraw. Throughout the match he showed huge respect for my bets. Yes i would count on him bluffing sometimes with air here but i think because of his gameplay this would be such a low part of his range.

I just feel like our range hits the flush so hard here

What happend was he tanked down and folded. So i guess he had a ten, sometimes hollywooding. But idk i just love to do shit like this when to board hits our range so hard and i feel like i have little-to no showdown value. So i wanted (still want) your opinion on how much showdown equity i really have here
03-01-2009, 01:20 PM
Parasurama

You really have the best idea based on this particular opponent, I would say in a standard HU match your bet on the river looks like it's for value, and KK is fairly strong on this board.
03-01-2009, 01:48 PM
nutsinho

if u think ur bluffing and not valuebetting this river then why in the fuck dont you fold the turn
03-02-2009, 11:00 AM
ZwiFT

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

if u think ur bluffing and not valuebetting this river then why in the fuck dont you fold the turn

I totally agree with this. My initial thoughts was that he was doing with top pair, flushdraw and sometimes air. I didn't think this player would 2barrel with air but would with trips and his draw.

Looking back there this was a stupid thought, there is no way he is checkraisin OOP with a flushdraw here