Limping with KK UTG

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02-28-2009, 10:44 PM
naturalassassin

Limping with KK UTG

In a full ring game what conditions would it be better to limp with KK UTG? I believe by raising UTG, you limit the competition and their starting hand range. Hoping for someone to open the door preflop can be dangerous and I'd rather have AA or AK but some people limp with KK.
My thoughts are:
considering a loose passive table. you raise more in an effort to scare. I like overbets here. 5BB... or more sometimes.

considering a loose aggressive table. you raise less hoping for a reraise. 2.5-3BB

cosidering a tight passive table. you raise less hoping for a reraise or one caller/shipper in the blinds.

considering a tight aggressive table. you raise more hoping for a reraise or one caller or shipper in the blinds.

its good to be the 1st raiser because if the pot is raise 3 times more. I'd consider folding in this case.
02-28-2009, 10:56 PM
Micro2Macro

Add never to the poll, the option is always available.
02-28-2009, 10:59 PM
Pig_Vomit

wtf?

level?
03-01-2009, 12:58 AM
Ragnar4

Not gonna lie, I've limped KK before. With the intent of re-raising any isolatin raisers.
Microstakes are too passive though. Either I end up in a huge multiway pot, or I end up re-raising my isolator seeing him fold. Straightforward at the micros.

You're giving up way too much Preflop edge for a postflop edge you don't have.
03-01-2009, 01:06 AM
MichaelGotAA

I never limp KK UTG.
03-01-2009, 01:13 AM
Revolver123

There is no reason to limp KK or AA in any position at the microstakes as those players have zero positional awareness. Some people at micros don't even know what UTG is. And most people raise any two cards in any position... I see alot of ATo, AJo, KTo raises UTG. But they definitely don't think "he raised UTG so he must have AK AQs or TT+"
03-01-2009, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Add never to the poll, the option is always available.

Never is <50% fwiw
03-01-2009, 02:15 AM
Micro2Macro

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Add never to the poll, the option is always available.

Never is <50% fwiw

fwiw yeah no shit 0% is less than 50% but it would be better to add in never because some people will never do it. It would be a good option to add to tell the surveyor the difference between those who never do, and those who do it rarely.
03-01-2009, 02:30 AM
Fnord

I do this in live games sometimes.
03-01-2009, 02:58 AM
AFchung

never. sorry

maybe in rare tournament situations when theres a bunch of aggro monkeys on my table. even so, i'd probably just raise and hope to get 3bet
03-01-2009, 03:48 AM
naturalassassin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pig_Vomit

wtf?

level?

I'll post this in the other forum and redo the poll. I play live 1-2 & 2-5. I play micro stakes on pokerstars. Just started my account.
03-01-2009, 10:59 AM
oskar

Never limped KK in my life.
You'd need 8 limpers to build the same pot that you get if you raise 4x and get just one caller... Nevermind that you probably got outflopped at that point. If it's important for you to win a lot of hands then go ahead and limp KK. If you want to make money, I suggest your raise it every time. At some point you need to get the money in. It's much easier if you already built a pot.
There are some special situations where you could limp, but those are so rare, that I really don't want to get into it.
03-01-2009, 12:34 PM
flomo

is there an option to fold it UTG?
03-01-2009, 01:20 PM
CBAT

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

Not gonna lie, I've limped KK before. With the intent of re-raising any isolatin raisers.
Microstakes are too passive though. Either I end up in a huge multiway pot, or I end up re-raising my isolator seeing him fold. Straightforward at the micros.

You're giving up way too much Preflop edge for a postflop edge you don't have.

QFT
03-01-2009, 02:32 PM
Jovar

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its good to be the 1st raiser because if the pot is raise 3 times more. I'd consider folding in this case.

Folding KK preflop? Are you insane?
03-01-2009, 02:56 PM
inƒamous

The only time I would ever limp utg w/ KK is if I knew the pot was going to get raised. At a live tourney one time a player was raise pushing pratically every hand. C-bet shoving so here it made sense and other situations like it. Also another time I did it I managed to get away from the hand with less money involved preflop when a super nit player. Raised and reraised me after I repopped him. I folded my kings face up and he smiled and flipped over his aces. Then the table got quiet
03-01-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jovar

Quote:

its good to be the 1st raiser because if the pot is raise 3 times more. I'd consider folding in this case.

Folding KK preflop? Are you insane?

Well, if you raise, someone 3bs you, then someone cold 4bs, and someone cold 5bs, then yes, I'd consider folding.
03-01-2009, 06:36 PM
Airles™

I would never, ever limp any big pair from UTG at a micro-stakes table. Reason being, they are traditionally passive limp-fests and all you'll wind up doing is inviting several players to come see the flop with you. You've just opened the door for all sorts of trash that could now have you crushed or at least potentially by the river. If you're limping KK with the intention of 3-betting a late position raiser, fine, but I've seen this from too many players and if they ever show down, it's about 99% KK+, .5% QQ, AK and .5% a lower pair. (Not exact statistics, but you get my point). If you're limp/calling with KK that's a whole 'nother story.