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No reads. Thoughts on what to do here?
Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (CO): $141.85
BTN: $58.05
SB: $51.50
BB: $100.20
UTG: $44.80
MP: $50
Pre-Flop: 7:club: 7:diamond: dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG raises to $1.50, MP folds, Hero calls $1.50, BTN folds, SB calls $1.25, BB folds
Flop: ($5) 6:spade: 5:diamond: 4:heart: (3 Players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $12, UTG folds, Hero?
meh i dunno, call or fold i guess. I wouldn't raise here ever without a read. Calling kinda turns our hand up tho, so i think fold?
Feels really nitty writing that down :)
I call because implied odds are sufficient enough, imo. Especially IP, but probably also OOP.
Always call without reads.
its not terrible to check flop here
Yeah I'd check flop here for sure. So much of other people's ranges are continuing that I wouldn't want to bet here. I mean is it for value?
I would bet for sure. It's for value (mostly protection I guess, and some balance as I would bluff it too).Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
UTG gave up his hand and it's still unlikely SB has hit anything, so you usually get 2 folds. I don't like the idea of giving a free card to 2 players that have overs a lot, and won't bluff the turn much if they don't hit.
And once in a while you'll get c/red by SB and you can call. Once in a while you get a c/c from SB as well.
I could check here and let a card peel, it sucks to get cr'd here totally. all turn cards suck balls anyhow and i dont wanna be barrelling.
ez call. if he has a set, then he'll stack if you hit. if he's bluffing, he probably won't barrel the turn.
at these stakes your not gonna get cr bluffed, ppl rather fold or call even if they think your FOS here. So why not just take a free one. I would bet my hand if i had less equity.
Repeating other advice, check back flop (what worse hands are calling this bet and what better hands are folding?) and flat the c/r because you have some implied odds vs. a set.
Worse hands that are calling imo; 33, 67s, 68s, 57s, A7s. A3s.Quote:
Originally Posted by zook
Zook, I don't get it;
Why aren't we betting for 'protection' against overcards (basically buying villains equity shares in the pot)?
I agree this alone is often not a good reason, but I imagine the more opponents there are in the pot, the more important it becomes.
It's not like we get c/red here very often, and even if we check and improve we're not gonna win a huge pot.
shove
First, that's not many hands. Second, calls with 33, 68s and A3s are pretty terrible on this board. Third, I think we get c/r'ed a lot more often than we get flat-called on this board.Quote:
Originally Posted by minSim
I do think there's an argument for betting for protection but since you're not happy getting AI, you're not that happy calling a c/r and you're almost never getting flat-called by worse (imo) I'd rather check behind.
Hmmm.... I feel like I'm betting here 100% of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by zook
If this was heads-up I'd be much more inclined to check, but I'd rather not give two people free cards here. I also wouldn't be surprised if SB leads a strong hand some of the time here, given how coordinated the board is.
I think SB might also call us light in this spot, because its checked around to us and we're betting such a wide range, that he might not believe us.
As played, I call the c/r.
I fold. You're pretty much never good as is, and are hoping to hit the most obvious straight ever vs a set. Or if he already has the straight, you're drawing to split. You basically have no implied odds.
I could go either way on the flop bet. Readless I think I bet here every time, not saying that's necessarily correct tho, it's just what I do.