What to write in chat after bad beat/suckout

Learning how to handle bad beats and suckouts correctly is a very important part of professional poker attitude and even strategy. There was a question about this in one of the recent threads, so I thought I would post some general advice for those of you that like to use the chat box.

Let's say some intellectually impaired player 3bet shoves T7s for 87.5BB over your utg open and you call with AA. The flop comes AK6rb, turn 8, river 9 and you loose a big pot. What do you write in chat?

Most new and even some experienced players go crazy and berate the lucky player. That's very bad for several reasons:

1. Villain might leave the table.
2. Villain might quit poker after feeling stupid.
3. Villain might stop to make stupid plays.
4. It makes you look very amateurish.
5. It makes you tilt even more.
6. It makes poker less fun for everyone.

Instead of writing something stupid like 'nice play idiot', write something GENUINELY friendly and nice. It will make you look like a pro. Here are some suggestions for the hand I described:
"Cool hand dude, please use my money responsibly :)"
"HAHA, gambooooool tiiiiime!!! :)"
"Loooooooooooooooooooool :)".

If you are absolutely unable to write something friendly, then at least consider writing something funny, it helps to make you tilt less:
"I've lost every coinflip today! :("
"I was bound to lose that hand. If you only call we're going to get it in on that flop anyway :/"
"I knew I was going to loose the instant I saw that flop!".

I know this can be very hard in the beginning and especially if you are playing underrolled, but poker is not an easy game. Please discuss...

Some good thoughts here. I used to say nice hand every time because I wanted people to think they played well, but people can take that in a lot of different ways, and I don't want people to think I'm being sarcastic. Right now I don't say anything at all. I like to try to give off the impression that I'm tilting if possible, but it's better to think about how you could have played the hand better and about the other hands you're in then to try to think of something clever to say imo.

I sometimes switch from typing with my fingers to typing with my fists. :x

But I do find it fairly relaxing to blow off beats with comments like "Doesn't 3 of a kind beat a straight?"

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Originally Posted by Parasurama

Some good thoughts here. I used to say nice hand every time because I wanted people to think they played well, but people can take that in a lot of different ways, and I don't want people to think I'm being sarcastic. Right now I don't say anything at all. I like to try to give off the impression that I'm tilting if possible, but it's better to think about how you could have played the hand better and about the other hands you're in then to try to think of something clever to say imo.

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I of course didn't mean that you should put a lot of effort in thinking about what to write. Many players never write anything in the chat and that's completely fine. My point was that -if- you are going to write something, then write something nice and never ever berate a weak player or even a weak play by a better player.

I used to blow up a lot but now that I play regularly and see how I've been doing in 120k it no longer bothers me... I know I'm better than them... I just type rofl nh... and rebuy... I don't necesseraily try to get my stack back from villian (I used to do that too) I just play as if it didn't even happen..

people are usually bitching at the way I played a hand, not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

people are usually bitching at the way I played a hand, not the other way around.

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Yeah, I get that too. My favorite is when people get all bent out of shape when I chase an OE-Straight Flush Draw and hit on the river. They'll type "fuckin donk!" when in fact they're the donk for not shoving me off the pot... of course I'd probably call anyway unless stacks were uber-deep but still.

my favorite is when they min 3-bet me preflop with aces and I hit a set on the flop with any pp and they get mad at me..

I think writing nice hand might be taken sarcastically, but probably not if the villain is silly enough to think his move was a good move to begin with.

I typically write "well played, nh" because I want them to think it was exactly that. I get a lot of thank you's and what not, so I don't think it comes off sarcastically at all. I never berate a player and can't stand when people at my table do. Remember, you're not just doing yourself a disservice by berating them and getting them to leave, you're doing your entire table a disservice! Don't be that guy!!

WTH? I thought this threat was about what you write when you suck out... I don't write anything if I get sucked out on... if he sais sorry or something, I say "I don't mind", but that's about it.


Anyway... here's what I write when I suck out:

LoL pwned!
I can haz?
I suck you out.
Lol, how can you call that?
or
Bad call imo.
OMGZ U CALLZ WIF ONE PAIR LOLOMG11!!!

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Originally Posted by pocketfours

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Originally Posted by Parasurama

Some good thoughts here. I used to say nice hand every time because I wanted people to think they played well, but people can take that in a lot of different ways, and I don't want people to think I'm being sarcastic. Right now I don't say anything at all. I like to try to give off the impression that I'm tilting if possible, but it's better to think about how you could have played the hand better and about the other hands you're in then to try to think of something clever to say imo.

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I of course didn't mean that you should put a lot of effort in thinking about what to write. Many players never write anything in the chat and that's completely fine. My point was that -if- you are going to write something, then write something nice and never ever berate a weak player or even a weak play by a better player.

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Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you meant you should put a lot of effort into thinking about what to write. I meant thinking of a way to sound tilty is too occupying for me. I totally agree that you should never berate what you think is an exploitable play.

Maybe just have default responses? I like "nice one, mate" people will look at my location and see US, but then think "wait he said mate. Is he just an anglophile or is he originally from Britain, or maybe Australia? Crap I just timed out on aces."

yea if I ever bink against a nittreg or taggfish I needle really hard in chat. It's one of the benefits of not mass-multitabling, I get into some pretty epic chat leveling.

But I completely agree with P4's, you always want to make the fish feel comfortable and NEVER alert him/her that there is a better way to play poker.

If it wasn't a horrible suckout/bad beat where we get it in on the flop, I try to look at things from the other person's perspective first to see if I were to make the same play. Good example:

I raised on the button with A9, SB and BB call. Flop comes Ac9c3x, SB check-raises me and I shove, he shows AxKc and gets running clubs for a flush. Optimal play by him? No, but its not completely retarded.

If it really is a bad beat (favorite one is when 42o shoves preflop against AA and hits two-pair), I'll usually just say "Aww shoot, you got me" or "Wish I had 73s for the straight flush".

If I can't be nice to the fish, I'll leave and find another table so I don't get too tilty, but I'll usually write down their name so I can try to find them again and take their money later.

This confuses me. You mean we aren't supposed to tell them exactly why the play they made was incorrect? Using your example (AA < T7), shouldn't we say something like "WTH were you thinking? This is my UTG range, and since I'm 100% positionally aware, you shouldn't be 3betting my tightest range with junk, or ever for that matter. Your such a donk, and I really insist that you go to flopturnriver.com to read up before you get back on anymore of my tables. I am a professional internet poker player, and you need to watch out." I mean something along those lines at least?


But serially, I rarely, if ever, use chat while playing (unless I'm playing like 1-4 tables of FR then it's pretty much mandatory). And if there was a thread on "tilting" like 2 months ago, I wouldn't have been a part of it. Not sure why I have started to get frustrated? But it's not a good thing, and I'm working on it.

I very rarely, if ever, react in chat to anything.

i rarely say anything, but i used to say stupid shit like, "aww, knew i should have folded AA to your raise preflop." LDO

i don't spar in chat. i don't see the point and it distracts me from my other tables

occasionally i'll throw in a 'nh' though

i just say polite stuff. throw in the odd lol.nothing insulting . ever. I dont think I actually ever tilt. if i suffer a bad beat , I usually smiile.

I read in Dan harringtons book a nice one liner , that one lineris always at the back of my mind. makes me immune from tilting.

I wouldn't worry so much about what you write. Over time, a fish is either going to improve their poker game or leave when they become convinced that they can't beat the game. Either way, I doubt chat comments will help much.

As a result, I will sometimes indicate, politely, what was wrong with the play. I'll type "nh". And then follow up with "not sure about calling that preflop raise with 10-7, though; didn't you think I might have Aces?".

I wouldn't do this if I really thought my comments would drain the aquarium. But I also want people to learn about the game-- I don't want everyone to play like Phil Hellmuth or Johnny Chan, but I also don't like playing with a bunch of people who don't know the first thing about what they are doing either, as they can increase variance a lot.

Interestingly, live, I have been asked several times by other players for some tips as I've gradually built up a stack while other players are being felted. And I have offered sincere, though general, advice (i.e., you need to tighten up your game; pay attention to the playing styles of other players so you have a better idea of what they are communicating to you about their hand when they check, call, bet, or raise; and be willing to fold even good hands when you know you are beat). I do understand that those players will get better and will continue to play me, but I also figure that a player that is going to ask me about improving their game is also going to seek out other sources of information (perhaps they will even log onto FTR!) and improve their game with or without my help.

I just tell people I play bad and appologise when I show down a funny hand or give them a bad beat.

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Originally Posted by LawDude

I wouldn't worry so much about what you write. Over time, a fish is either going to improve their poker game or leave when they become convinced that they can't beat the game. Either way, I doubt chat comments will help much.

As a result, I will sometimes indicate, politely, what was wrong with the play. I'll type "nh". And then follow up with "not sure about calling that preflop raise with 10-7, though; didn't you think I might have Aces?".

I wouldn't do this if I really thought my comments would drain the aquarium. But I also want people to learn about the game-- I don't want everyone to play like Phil Hellmuth or Johnny Chan, but I also don't like playing with a bunch of people who don't know the first thing about what they are doing either, as they can increase variance a lot.

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The worse people play the better it is for you. And you will have fewer downswings with a bigger edge. You might have larger fluctuations inside a given session (Although I doubt it) but over even the medium term you'll have much better and more stable results. You're basically talking about moving up to where they respect your raises. Let me know if you want me to explain why that's wrong headed.

In addition, the vast majority of table coaches are tilt prone because they do not understand where the money comes from. If it doesn't matter what you say to fish one way or the other, why bother educating them? If you need to release some bad beat steam, we have a forum just for such purposes.

About tapping the glass:

UrMilkshake: nice river
dyvynr: yeah it was...
UrMilkshake: lol pretty obvious draw
dyvynr: oh yeah
Dealer: Capt. Uritha wins $2.85
UrMilkshake: pretty bad flopcall since there
are two more 2 act]
dyvynr: can we stop tapping the glass now?
Dealer: ibisevic wins $1.50
dyvynr: the flop call was perfect, go over the
history and figure out what i really had
dyvynr: and then don't talk about it
Dealer: ibisevic wins $1.90
UrMilkshake: no idea what ur talking about
Dealer: UrMilkshake wins $1.50
UrMilkshake: history?
Dealer: dyvynr wins $1.50
Dealer: Capt. Uritha wins $1.50
Dealer: UrMilkshake wins $2.50
Dealer: ibisevic wins $1.50
UrMilkshake: lol dyv
UrMilkshake: what do you wanna pretend?
Dealer: ibisevic wins $1.90
dyvynr: i had AA...
dyvynr: LDO.
UrMilkshake: lol
UrMilkshake: that is horrible
dyvynr: yeah it is...
UrMilkshake: wanna play AA 4way?
dyvynr: but im really bad
UrMilkshake: lol
Dealer: ibisevic wins $2.50
dyvynr: quit. tapping. the. glass.
ibisevic: whast tappin the glass mean
UrMilkshake: dude i was talking about you so
thats not tapping the glass
Dealer: dyvynr wins $1.50
Dealer: Capt. Uritha wins $2.40
dyvynr: tink tink, tink tink...
UrMilkshake: lol
UrMilkshake: wtf is tink

on another table:

UrMilkshake: why not bet flop dyv
UrMilkshake: pretty perfect flop and i gave
up
dyvynr: you know there are forums for that
kind of discussion
Dealer: tgtigr wins $1.90
UrMilkshake: just wondering

and this is on yet another table:

UrMilkshake: lol u suck
UrMilkshake: K7 oop
Dealer: jk47auto wins $17.10
Dealer: jk47auto wins $3.50
OliverTwist: tough crazy table Ur
dyvynr: STOP TAPPING THE F-ING GLASS
PLEASE.

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Originally Posted by LawDude

I wouldn't worry so much about what you write. Over time, a fish is either going to improve their poker game or leave when they become convinced that they can't beat the game. Either way, I doubt chat comments will help much.

As a result, I will sometimes indicate, politely, what was wrong with the play. I'll type "nh". And then follow up with "not sure about calling that preflop raise with 10-7, though; didn't you think I might have Aces?".

I wouldn't do this if I really thought my comments would drain the aquarium. But I also want people to learn about the game-- I don't want everyone to play like Phil Hellmuth or Johnny Chan, but I also don't like playing with a bunch of people who don't know the first thing about what they are doing either, as they can increase variance a lot.

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The worse people play the better it is for you. And you will have fewer downswings with a bigger edge. You might have larger fluctuations inside a given session (Although I doubt it) but over even the medium term you'll have much better and more stable results. You're basically talking about moving up to where they respect your raises. Let me know if you want me to explain why that's wrong headed.

In addition, the vast majority of table coaches are tilt prone because they do not understand where the money comes from. If it doesn't matter what you say to fish one way or the other, why bother educating them? If you need to release some bad beat steam, we have a forum just for such purposes.

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I am not sure where this comes from, but you are way too convinced of your own abilities to ensure that fish never improve their games.

I have gambled all my life. My parents introduced me to horse racing (their game of choice) as a little kid. At any racetrack, there are people who will never learn, even though they hear a million times how they need to pick their spots, carefully study races, look for betting opportunities, keep records, etc. And there are people who seriously study the game and make an effort to learn. The key insight is that NEITHER group is particularly influenced by what one person will tell them; rather, group 1 is impervious to well-known and publicized strategies to improve their game, and group 2 seeks out information from a variety of sources and does so.

Similarly, if you go to any casino in Nevada, New Jersey, or an Indian reservation, you will see regulars grinding away at the slots, the roulette and craps tables, multi-deck blackjack, and other games where the house is guaranteed to win. Many of those people are there day after day. You think that they haven't heard that the house always wins? What about people who play the lottery every week? You think they don't know that the house takes 50 percent of the pool?

The point is, people who want to learn will learn, either from you or from someone else. People who don't want to learn won't. Nobody's comments in chat will make a bit of difference-- we are only typing these things for our own benefit.

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Originally Posted by LawDude

People who don't want to learn won't. Nobody's comments in chat will make a bit of difference-- we are only typing these things for our own benefit.

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Wait...how do we benefit from this again?

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Originally Posted by LawDude

People who don't want to learn won't. Nobody's comments in chat will make a bit of difference-- we are only typing these things for our own benefit.

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Wait...how do we benefit from this again?

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It's purely psychological. It gives some closure to an awful suckout.

Remember we are human beings. The best of us can probably say nothing and let our table image speak for ourselves. But if you don't have that level of control of your emotions, I see nothing wrong with making a comment in chat if it makes you feel better. I certainly don't think that an occasional comment is going to cause the massive all-around education of the fish that some people think is going to happen.

I never berate the fish....
I will sometimes send lines like "nh" or something so that he'll try it again.
I used to get annoyed and want to really tear into them using chat but its unfair to others at the table if you give pointers to someone who really sucks...its taking away the other players' best chance at getting money.

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Originally Posted by LawDude

As a result, I will sometimes indicate, politely, what was wrong with the play. I'll type "nh". And then follow up with "not sure about calling that preflop raise with 10-7, though; didn't you think I might have Aces?".

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I don't see any value in making this kind of comment. It only shows the other people at the table that you took the beat pretty hard and are very likely tilted. It also shows the experienced guys that you probably aren't very experienced (used to beats).

I rarely go beyond 'nh' and 'lol, nh!'. If I suckout or someone takes a cooler I might do 'ul'. I've been berated many a time by "regs", I generally use some form of "I like to gambool!" or "man, I thought you might be bluffing :(" or "but I had a pair!" or some such.

I tend to type Hee haw! when I suckout on a better player than me.

I've never had anyone suck out on me. so I'll let you know the first time it happens.

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Originally Posted by pocketfours

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Originally Posted by LawDude

As a result, I will sometimes indicate, politely, what was wrong with the play. I'll type "nh". And then follow up with "not sure about calling that preflop raise with 10-7, though; didn't you think I might have Aces?".

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I don't see any value in making this kind of comment. It only shows the other people at the table that you took the beat pretty hard and are very likely tilted. It also shows the experienced guys that you probably aren't very experienced (used to beats).

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I'm not entirely opposed to having people think I have tilted. The truth is that typing something gets the matter off my chest, and if other players misread my hands assuming that I am on tilt, that only helps me in the long run. Of course, I play for and make my money playing live poker, not online, so I am not that worried about tilt online anyway.

nh 44.

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i just say polite stuff. throw in the odd lol.nothing insulting . ever. I dont think I actually ever tilt. if i suffer a bad beat , I usually smiile.

I read in Dan harringtons book a nice one liner , that one lineris always at the back of my mind. makes me immune from tilting.

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How bout sharing this line with us?

I think making people think I'm on tilt can be extremely valuable online too. Sometimes its hard to get reads online, so if I can give my opponents a fake read, so much the better for me.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

I just tell people I play bad and appologise when I show down a funny hand or give them a bad beat.

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It's not always polite to tell someone you play bad if you actually don't think you did (you weren't clear about this in your post). It can look like you are making the assumption that they didn't understand your play and it can be condescending.

This kindof happened to me some while ago in a 1knl short handed game at Full Tilt. I raised from SB to $35 with AKs. Villain 3bets to $115. I 4bet to $235 and villain shoves for $1115. I cover and call.

He shows 69s and spikes a nine to take the pot. Then he writes: "I don't need to hear how badly I played that. I know!". I had not written anything in the chat the whole session before that.

I thought his play was completely fine based on dynamics etc. and I didn't appreciate the comment. It's of course very possible that he didn't know his play was fine. I told him I thought his play looked completely standard and he just happened to run into a monster (I was being honest). I also told him his comment was uncalled for and he apologized for making it.

So, if you think you played bad, then go ahead and say it. If you don't think you did, then don't say you did. If you want to be polite, that is.

I just never talk when I'm playing.

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Originally Posted by pocketfours

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Originally Posted by Fnord

I just tell people I play bad and appologise when I show down a funny hand or give them a bad beat.

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It's not always polite to tell someone you play bad if you actually don't think you did (you weren't clear about this in your post). It can look like you are making the assumption that they didn't understand your play and it can be condescending.

This kindof happened to me some while ago in a 1knl short handed game at Full Tilt. I raised from SB to $35 with AKs. Villain 3bets to $115. I 4bet to $235 and villain shoves for $1115. I cover and call.

He shows 69s and spikes a nine to take the pot. Then he writes: "I don't need to hear how badly I played that. I know!". I had not written anything in the chat the whole session before that.

I thought his play was completely fine based on dynamics etc. and I didn't appreciate the comment. It's of course very possible that he didn't know his play was fine. I told him I thought his play looked completely standard and he just happened to run into a monster (I was being honest). I also told him his comment was uncalled for and he apologized for making it.

So, if you think you played bad, then go ahead and say it. If you don't think you did, then don't say you did. If you want to be polite, that is.

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There is a bit of "I've been there" that I will sometimes express to another good player (usually in live poker) if I play well but also suckout against a better hand.

For instance, last night I had AcQc and called a good player's pre-flop raise. The flop came up with a paired board, rags, 2 of them clubs. I bet, he raised, I called (this was limit, so my odds were fine). I hit a third club on the turn, he bets, I raise to protect my hand and extract value, and at that point the look on his face turns sullen. He calls me on the river (which was a blank), turns over his pocket aces. I just said "I know, I've been there" to him. His play wasn't poor (except for not laying down the hand when he knew he was beat), and neither was mine; he just got his aces cracked. And he smiled and said "and I've been where you are too".

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Originally Posted by LawDude

I just said "I know, I've been there" to him. His play wasn't poor (except for not laying down the hand when he knew he was beat), and neither was mine; he just got his aces cracked. And he smiled and said "and I've been where you are too".

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Nice

I can't always help myself.

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
UTG calls $10, 4 folds, CO calls $10, 1 fold, Hero calls $5, BB checks

Flop: ($40) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets $30, 2 folds, CO calls $30

Turn: ($100) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $80, CO calls $80

River: ($260) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $150, Hero calls $150

Total pot: $560 | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero had 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (one pair, twos).
CO had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (high card, King).
Outcome: Hero won $557

Villain wrote: "Nice call donkey".
I replied: "Yes you are one" (he was)

Then he wrote how he hopes my family dies in a car accident.

I sure didn't have to reply anything to his first comment and I really regret that I did (unprofessional).

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Originally Posted by pocketfours

I can't always help myself.

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
UTG calls $10, 4 folds, CO calls $10, 1 fold, Hero calls $5, BB checks

Flop: ($40) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets $30, 2 folds, CO calls $30

Turn: ($100) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $80, CO calls $80

River: ($260) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $150, Hero calls $150

Total pot: $560 | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero had 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (one pair, twos).
CO had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (high card, King).
Outcome: Hero won $557

Villain wrote: "Nice call donkey".
I replied: "Yes you are one" (he was)

Then he wrote how he hopes my family dies in a car accident.

I sure didn't have to reply anything to his first comment and I really regret that I did (unprofessional).

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No matter what you typed, that hand was hilarious.

Exactly the spot where "I had a pair!" fits. It all depends on image, like you say I'm not going to insult someone who thinks I'm decent by pretending otherwise, but if he's convinced I'm a donkey I'm happy to reinforce that.

At 5NL I congratulate them on their win and tell them "well played."

I know that's cruel as I'm sending them down a path of disaster but it's the best way for me to get back at them for sucking out on me mwahahaha

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Originally Posted by bjsaust

Exactly the spot where "I had a pair!" fits. It all depends on image, like you say I'm not going to insult someone who thinks I'm decent by pretending otherwise, but if he's convinced I'm a donkey I'm happy to reinforce that.

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"I had a pair!" is also a bit condescending. It's mostly a joke that is funny for the other people at the table. It's way better than my idiotic comment though.

I think this was one of those spots where you should say absolutely nothing. A weak player has lost money and he thinks it's because his opponent played bad and he is probably tilted. The situation is already optimal.

Yeah agreed. By far my most common approach is to say nothing. I do sometimes like to needle bad regs (who think they're good) or table coaches sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Revolver123

At 5NL I congratulate them on their win and tell them "well played."

I know that's cruel as I'm sending them down a path of disaster but it's the best way for me to get back at them for sucking out on me mwahahaha

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Vorhaus suggests that not only you congratulate them, but in the future, inflate their ego for having played so well by remembering all those bad beats as his amazing plays.

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6. It makes poker less fun for everyone.

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actually its more fun for me when i see two people going at it in chat. even better when they're both playing 48/0

This is a weird thread.

For any one who every says anything about the villains play. Why? There is no good reason besides "to make myself feel better, smarter, etc" which is dumb.

I occasionally use Fnord's old "I don't like money" because it usually gets people to laugh. If I'm not going to keep the table lively I don't say anything.

haha this thread is hilarious. Great tips OP. I read this right before I was going to post a quick story, so I decided to post it here.
First round of tourney, it's the second hand, here's what happens:
[I couldn't actually post the HH because I put it through the converter but I can't post links because I have less than 10 posts. :( he basically had nothing, and I had pocket 9s and the only thing he could have logically beat me with was a Jack]
Here's the dialogue, supergreat7 being MP3 (I started to change his name each time but then it got to be too time consuming). He had random rubbish, not even a pair.

MP3 said, "NICE HAND LUCKSTER"
at BK 88 said, "lol?"
at BK 88 said, "you wouldn't have played like that with a J..."
MP3 said, "YOU HAVE ME PUKING"
at BK 88 said, "you had nothing."
supergreat7 said, "WHATEVER"
at BK 88 said, "the probability of you having a pocket pair of TT through AA was minimal"
supergreat7 said, "WE' LL SEE IN THE END"
at BK 88 said, "and the way you played the turn made me think the 3 didn't help you"
at BK 88 said, "I'm just trying to defend myself"
supergreat7 said, "THATS COOL"
at BK 88 said, "okay. GL."

// So I start trying to help him, I begin in a dumb way by criticizing him, but my motives were pure. It ends well, though.

//This next hand he kept calling bets and again, had mid pair, sevens,and got beaten, of course.

supergreat7 said, "GIVE ME A BREAK"
at BK 88 said, "why were you in a hand with 47o?"
supergreat7 said, " DUNNO"
at BK 88 said, "I'll give you that it was a bad beat"
at BK 88 said, "but I wouldn't have been in the hand, personally"
supergreat7 said, "THATS YOU YOU KNOW"
at BK 88 said, "you had no straight or flush draws..."
supergreat7 said, "THIS IS ME"
at BK 88 said, "I'm just trying to help you"
supergreat7 said, "DON;T NEED ANY BUT THANKS"
at BK 88 said, "You've lost a lot of SnGs in a row, I think you do need help"
supergreat7 said, "I BLUFFED YOU YOU MADE A GOOD CALL"
at BK 88 said, "I'm not talking about that hand... I'm talking about your style of play in general, to help you stop losing money"
supergreat7 said, "I AM 253 SOLID MUSCLE I DON'T NEED YOUR FCKNG HELP BRO"

// Now I'm like, oh crap, I'd really like to diffuse this situation, I don't want to be making people mad (not that I couldn't hold my own against a 253 pounder, if that's even what he was saying)

at BK 88 said, "I lift quite a bit myself."
at BK 88 said, "So we have some common interests"
supergreat7 said, "I PLAYED PRO BALL BABY"
at BK 88 said, "that's why you're playing micro stakes poker....?"
supergreat7 said, "NEW TO THIS"
supergreat7 said, "I WILL GET BETTER THOUGH"
at BK 88 said, "check out flopturnriverdotcom if you want to get better"
at BK 88 said, "or _______dotcom"

// so I start critiquing my own play at times and he says "I DONT CARE" and I say "you should." Then this happens

supergreat7 said, "REALLY BRO YOUR GREAT CONGRATS SHT UP"
at BK 88 said, "I'm trying to help you, I don't know what your problem is"
supergreat7 said, "YOU FOREIGNERS ARE SO ANNYING"
at BK 88 said, "foreigners?"
at BK 88 said, "I live in our nations capital, thanks?"
supergreat7 said, "GREAT OBAMA"
supergreat7 said, "CONGRATS"
supergreat7 said, "I AM SURE YOU HAVE SEEN ME ON TV THEN"

//Then I ask him why he doesn't still play baseball, what he does now, etc, which went on for a few minutes.

Next I start talking to him about pot odds
at BK 88 said, "you played the pot odds well"
supergreat7 said, "THAT WAS LUCK AND A HALF"
at BK 88 said, "Well you had a 1 in 3 or so shot"
at BK 88 said, "and you bet a little less than one third of the pot"
at BK 88 said, "so it was a good play"
at BK 88 said, "if you had payed more than one third of the pot, then it wouldn't have been"
at BK 88 said, "so good job"
supergreat7 said, "PRECE"

// then later as he started to warm up to me more I talked about stack value...

at BK 88 said, "I probably shouldn't have been in that hand to begin with"
supergreat7 said, "AH HELL IT WORKED OUT"
at BK 88 said, "Yeah, it did, but I'm not in a great position; I'll have less than 10XBB next round of blinds"
supergreat7 said, "YEHA BUT MAY GET GREAT CARDS"
at BK 88 said, "hopefully"

// anyway, it continued and we chatted about a lot of different things until we happened to go out one hand apart from each other.
At the end I shamelessly promoted FTR again, and he actually said "thank you, really thanks a lot" or something (in all caps, of course).
It was really refreshing to see that I could have some sort of positive impact on someone that was acting like a jerk only a few hands before.

I generally don't comment, accept occasionally 'lol' if the hand is completely rediculous (normally when the player has already left the table).

However one tourney down to the last two tables, middle position big stack has been raising or limping most hands. He limps, I have AJ in the blinds and shove for around 10 big blinds, he calls with KT and I hold.

Him : Terrible play
Me : Yeah, Limp calling with a weak K is pretty bad but don't be too hard on yourself.

Needless to say he completely lost it at this point (and knocked himself out about 15 hands later).

I'll go either way. If I think the table is very aggressive, I'll mock tilt for an orbit or two, hop to get a great hand, and shove with it looking like an angry spew. This has worked out nicely a few times.

But most of the time, I just go with 'well played, nh'.

Quote:

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Him : Terrible play
Me : Yeah, Limp calling with a weak K is pretty bad but don't be too hard on yourself.

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LOL

wtf @ bk...

After watching some more of Spenda's videos recently, I will from now on be reverting to "wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!" when I suckout, cooler someone or take an annoying beat.

I also recently changed my picture to Miley Cyrus, so I think it will help the type of environment I am trying to create.

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Originally Posted by mieczkowusc

After watching some more of Spenda's videos recently, I will from now on be reverting to "wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!" when I suckout, cooler someone or take an annoying beat.

I also recently changed my picture to Miley Cyrus, so I think it will help the type of environment I am trying to create.

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lol this is an A+ plan

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Originally Posted by bjsaust

wtf @ bk...

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I was only playing one tourney at the time and was really bored, so I decided to talk to him. Usually I don't say anything, though. I'm a noob but I SharkScoped this guy and he had placed ITM in only one sng... so I thought I'd try to be nice? His caps lock key seemed to be stuck or something, haha... even his location was in all caps in his profile.

Am I crossing the line here?

After a hand where I managed to get 2 shorties AI on a AAx flop where I had K7 drawing dead vs AK and A5...
avabava: hah dy u suck
dyvynr: LDO
Dealer: dyvynr wins $7.15
damnpockets: is that what they call a bad
beat?
Gennadii26: privet
dyvynr: yeah K7 was so ahead there


Dealer: dyvynr wins $85.20 with Straight,
Eight high
Chat is now enabled
avabava: nice work donkey
dyvynr: thank you, I thought so
avabava: u must be one of there super users
that cheats
dyvynr: I get that a lot

People who have only won a single SNG are the people you want to play SNGs against, not the people you want to help improve.