5/10 FR: Berate my double CR spazzy bluff...

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01-31-2009, 07:01 AM
pocketfours

5/10 FR: Berate my double CR spazzy bluff...

Villain is 23/18 (FR) with 3bet 11% and plays all sorts of garbage from every position. Seen him open A8s utg 9 handed. Fairly passive postflop.

I thought the flop hits my range pretty hard and I've got some equity with an overcard and runner draws. I turn a gutshot and expect to see a free river, but wtf he bets half pot. I was just about to press the fold button when I decided I'm not going to let this fly.

He simply doesn't hit flops that hard with his garbage and it sure doesn't look like he has the nuts or anything.

Then we should consider the fact that why on earth would I not bet this turn with a big hand?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $10.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($3633.35)
MP3 ($3413.50)
CO ($1142)
Button ($324)
SB ($372)
Hero (BB) ($1107)
UTG ($1000)
UTG+1 ($1734)
MP1 ($334.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
3 folds, MP2 raises to $25, 1 fold, CO calls $25, 2 folds, Hero calls $15

Flop: ($80) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $24, CO calls $24, Hero raises to $125, MP2 calls $101, 1 fold

Turn: ($354) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $209, Hero raises to $957 (All-In)...

I'm an idiot right?
01-31-2009, 07:50 PM
thizzSantaCruz

yes.
01-31-2009, 09:07 PM
griffey24

I can't imagine him betting a hand here that he's willing to fold. He'd check back hands he's worried about.

I'd rather just fire the turn than c/r. It also doesn't help that people view the double c/r line as bluffy, cause then you're even more likely to get called.
01-31-2009, 10:51 PM
pocketfours

His line is a joke too though. I mean wtf does he cbet 24 into 80, call a c/r and then bet the turn with? About the only hand that makes any sense is KJ.

He folded very fast so I guess he was on some weird float as I suspected. Or then he did have KJ and made the worst fold in pkr history, but I doubt it.
01-31-2009, 11:15 PM
zook

I think you are a god of poker.

:h:
02-01-2009, 01:08 AM
griffey24

Why not just bet the turn if you think he's weak? If you didn't turn the insider, you're more or less likely to bet the turn?
02-01-2009, 02:17 AM
pocketfours

Quote:

Originally Posted by griffey24

Why not just bet the turn if you think he's weak? If you didn't turn the insider, you're more or less likely to bet the turn?

I generally don't like pounding on players who look weak when they know they look weak.
02-03-2009, 06:53 PM
sauce123

how can shoving turn be better than check/calling?
02-04-2009, 06:58 AM
pocketfours

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

how can shoving turn be better than check/calling?

Something like 7c8c has 21 outs. He might also fold his paired combos although I doubt he bets them.
02-05-2009, 01:11 PM
sauce123

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketfours

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

how can shoving turn be better than check/calling?

Something like 7c8c has 21 outs. He might also fold his paired combos although I doubt he bets them.

this is the silliest thing ive ever heard. you get to the turn, check, the ship because of the 78cc!?!? wtffffff.

i mean this hand is an absolute trainwreck, ive yet to see anyone in the history of the world who is long term profitable making huge bluffs with low equity OOP in a FR game. you are just burning money in an especially fun way
02-05-2009, 02:23 PM
pocketfours

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketfours

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

how can shoving turn be better than check/calling?

Something like 7c8c has 21 outs. He might also fold his paired combos although I doubt he bets them.

this is the silliest thing ive ever heard. you get to the turn, check, the ship because of the 78cc!?!? wtffffff.

i mean this hand is an absolute trainwreck, ive yet to see anyone in the history of the world who is long term profitable making huge bluffs with low equity OOP in a FR game. you are just burning money in an especially fun way

Finally someone properly berating this hand.
02-05-2009, 02:51 PM
Genitruc

ya that was harsh

vn berate
02-05-2009, 02:54 PM
mcatdog

I love how sauce just went through the last week of posts in high stakes and told everyone that they suck

:heart:
02-05-2009, 03:02 PM
Alexos

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcatdog

I love how sauce just went through the last week of posts in high stakes and told everyone that they suck

:heart:

hahah, awesome!
02-05-2009, 06:02 PM
Genitruc

pfft I just took it as a sign that I belong
04-02-2009, 02:43 AM
surviva316

i know you're asking about postflop, but preflop seems like a textbook squeeze situation if you have such little faith in his range
07-26-2009, 09:55 PM
Sir Pawnalot

I generally don't like pounding on players who look weak when they know they look weak.[/quote]

This is a golden statement. How villain perceives your FE is very important.
08-13-2009, 10:04 AM
AngelBoy

ahha) wow... he's bet on the river is so small for his trps for sure))) And you may to have JJ for him)) nice thinking moment and good blaff situation for sure... But i fold 99.99% :lol: