Two hands, same villain

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12-31-2008, 02:05 AM
Galapogos

Two hands, same villain

This guy's running at 23/18/3.8 over a 700 hand sample. WTSD is 15% so he's not one to call all the way down lightly. He's pretty good, but also really bad, if that makes any sense. He doesn't 3-bet light. I'm running about 24/20/3.6. He likes to play the position post-flop game. Not 100% sure if he's smart or just blindly aggressive. Judging by things he does that are bad, I suspect he's just blindly aggressive.

Hand #1: He raises 2 pairs, sets, and flush draws on the flop. Good push? I figure I have decent equity if I'm wrong.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($153.00)
CO ($610.00)
BTN ($585.95)
Hero (SB) ($199.35)
BB ($416.75)

Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is SB :tc: :th:
3 folds, Hero bets $6, BB calls $5

Flop: :qc: :5c: :ks: ($14, 2 players)
Hero bets $10, BB calls $10

Turn: :ac: ($34, 2 players)
Hero bets $24, BB bets $65, Hero goes all-in $158.35

Hand #2: I have the best hand on the flop unless he decided to call with KQ I guess. What to do on the turn? I think the crai was spew but I don't know what else to do. Bet/fold? FWIW I went with the crai just because he's floaty, but that probably wasn't smart as I had no reason to believe he did that in 3-bet pots. Plus I was getting tilty since my dog kept getting in my face. I guess it's possible he doesn't want to raise a flush draw on this flop if he has one since we're a little deeper.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($371.20)
CO ($473.95)
BTN ($318.10)
Hero (SB) ($293.35)
BB ($200.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is SB :jc: :kc:
UTG bets $7, 1 fold, BTN calls $7, Hero bets $26, 1 fold, UTG folds, BTN calls $20

Flop: :kh: :4c: :5h: ($63, 2 players)
Hero bets $40, BTN calls $40

Turn: :6h: ($143, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $90, Hero goes all-in $226.35
12-31-2008, 02:16 AM
nutsinho

1. D-
2. A-
12-31-2008, 11:52 AM
sweetlemon69

D? A?
12-31-2008, 12:19 PM
Galapogos

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

1. D-
2. A-

Could you expand please good sir?

And do you grade on a curve?
01-01-2009, 07:29 PM
meeloche

1) He doesn't have to raise a fd at all on this flop. He should know your range hits this board pretty hard and he's going to put you on a lot of strength when you double this turn card.

2) meh i dunno i don't really have a comment other than it's not something that I would do.
01-08-2009, 11:52 PM
swiggidy

Re: Two hands, same villain

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Plus I was getting tilty since my dog kept getting in my face.

Figured you'd like that

/shows myself out
01-09-2009, 02:23 AM
Numbr2intheWorld

I kinda like the first one
01-09-2009, 09:16 AM
griffey24

1) I don't think people necessarily raise a FD on this flop. Especially if he has a low FD. This is a good flop to float, as you'll likely c/f with a lot of low pairs and connectors on any turn anyhow, so he can turn his entire flop calling range into bluffs if you check.

2) I don't entirely get this line. I guess I just don't see how this line is any better than bet/bet? If you think he shows up with air enough here to c/bomb, I don't even mind c/c sometimes as ppl might continue their bluff on the river.
01-09-2009, 11:25 AM
Galapogos

griffey, so in hand #1 what do you like? Are you saying a c/c is probably the right play? The reason I didn't want to take that line is I wasn't entirely sure at the time if he was capable of turning better hands into bluffs.

And yeah, hand #2 I don't like either. The thing is, I thought it was possible he could peel the flop with a PP. But the c/r is bad because he's not going to bet that turn with them. I'm pretty sure I get owned by a flush way too much with the line because when I looked back I honestly wasn't sure what I could expect to get called by that was worse.

But now nuts and mass say they like hand #2. I wonder if they could elaborate as to why? Is it just under the assumption that since this guy likes to win pots it's likely his range is wide enough that I actually am against lesser hands often enough?
01-09-2009, 12:26 PM
griffey24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

griffey, so in hand #1 what do you like? Are you saying a c/c is probably the right play? The reason I didn't want to take that line is I wasn't entirely sure at the time if he was capable of turning better hands into bluffs.

And yeah, hand #2 I don't like either. The thing is, I thought it was possible he could peel the flop with a PP. But the c/r is bad because he's not going to bet that turn with them. I'm pretty sure I get owned by a flush way too much with the line because when I looked back I honestly wasn't sure what I could expect to get called by that was worse.

But now nuts and mass say they like hand #2. I wonder if they could elaborate as to why? Is it just under the assumption that since this guy likes to win pots it's likely his range is wide enough that I actually am against lesser hands often enough?

Hand 1 - I like the flop bet and the turn bet. I'm just not sure about the shove once he raises. If he had flatted the turn, I might have even shipped the river (bluff obv), but his turn raise changes things.

Hand 2 - Yah I agree with your logic about pocket pairs checking the turn. Whereas a lot of pairs with a heart might peel another turn bet. I guess I'm betting here very often on the turn, but am interested in hearing the benefits of c/bombing here. (other than the obvious one of making $ of his floats+bets, but we also free-card lots of midpairs with hearts)