$25, KK facing aggressive betting on flop

Too small of a sample size to matter.

Should I just shove pre-flop? As played, I was really torn on what to do here.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($16.55)
Button ($25)
SB ($20)
BB ($25)
UTG ($19.75)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($6.25)
MP2 ($21.20)
Hero (MP3) ($37.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, SB calls $1.40, BB raises to $4, UTG calls $3.75, Hero calls $2.50, SB calls $2.50

Flop: ($16) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $8, UTG raises to $15.75 (All-In), Hero ?

Why are you not 4-betting this pre? All in is only 6 times the 3-bet so you need to shove this. With so many players in the pot you have to try to get it heads-up before the flop. As played I don't know what to do because I never put myself in this spot. Without any experience in this situation I would say fold. This is a very ugly flop for KK with 4-way action.

As Parasurama wrote, i would never put my self in that situation with 3 or 4 people with me when the flop turn, not with KK preflop. I would, as he also pointed out, go AI before the flop turns, then some of them might fold. But ofc, specially this hand is a bit risky, looks to me like one of them have AA.

Would still go AI preflop in this situation.

I normally wouldn't hesitate to go AI preflop here, but I just had a gut feeling that one of them had AA. But there's no way I'm folding pre, so I guess if I'm going to see the flop, I may as well push.

I was wondering what people thought the right play was on the flop, but I guess it's a moot point because I hopefully won't be in this situation again anyway.

i would 4 bet but not shove

flop spot is gross, i think i would fold but i'd really have to see what pokerstove says about it.

Tough not to push with KK, you want to thin the field out..If you thought someone had AA, would be a sick fold. But look like a genius when guy flips over those Aces.

I meant tough not to 4bet, then call AI bet. I am still learning maybe not the right play but thats what I would do.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

i would 4 bet but not shove

flop spot is gross, i think i would fold but i'd really have to see what pokerstove says about it.

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So what did pokerstove say about it? :wink:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

79,200 games 0.062 secs 1,277,419 games/sec

Board: 7c 6d 5c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.660% 52.39% 02.27% 41490 1800.50 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 45.340% 43.07% 02.27% 34109 1800.50 { 44+, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac6c, KcQc, KcJc, Kc6c, QcJc, Qc6c, Jc6c, Tc6c, 9c6c, 8d7d, 8c6c, 76s, 65s, 8d7c, 8d7h, 8d7s, 8h7c, 8h7d, 8h7s, 8s7c, 8s7d, 8s7h, 7d6c, 7h6c, 7s6c, 6c5d, 6c5h, 6c5s }


That's UTG's value shoving range which doesn't consider what BB would call with if we shove over top.

it's possible that BBs range for calling both players is the same making it an awesome move???

I think the preflop play is poor but I'm folding this on flop.

Isn't that range a bit wide considering this is a 3bet pot?

yah, i effed up the suits on some of the hands I entered, but if we remove a lot of the junk hands like bad flush draws, weak pairs + draws, its a pretty even 33/33/33 race for all of the monies.

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Originally Posted by jackvance

Isn't that range a bit wide considering this is a 3bet pot?

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i was just going for a best case scenario but i agree

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

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Originally Posted by jackvance

Isn't that range a bit wide considering this is a 3bet pot?

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i was just going for a best case scenario but i agree

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Yeah, this is why I said fold flop. I forgot to mention I disagree with your range selection.

lol bigredaments

We proved you wrong, shouldn't you be celebrating?

you wish you proved me wrong

oh yah, i totally forgot to add made straights, i knew i forgot something

preflop play is absolutely terrible. as played i think you really need to fold because that board screams twopair/set/made straights

Terrible decision to call on the flop as mentioned. Fold the flop.
What the hell is UTG playing. I can only think small PP and he has hit his set.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

oh yah, i totally forgot to add made straights, i knew i forgot something

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Sounds like you forgot a ton of shit. Care to redo this with the correct range so we can ridicule it more effectively?

Yes I would have shoved here and isolated pot you may have got one or two callers but you would of lost one atleast whe nyou shoved if not two to make it heads up with your KK you misplayed this one and let it get to 4 way preflop with that board if someone fires a shot at that flop you have to fold could be set or even a striaght.

Go All-in.