need a calling range 400nl

Villain is unknown, bought in short, no avatar, limped sb = donk
Consider I raise any 2 here

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($609)
MP1 ($1225.80)
MP2 ($690.15)
CO ($1109.75)
Button ($647)
SB ($424.90)
Hero (BB) ($621)
UTG ($521.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with
6 folds, SB calls $3, Hero raises to $24, SB calls $18

Flop: ($48) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $400.90 (All-In), Hero

i fold aj here, if that helps any

Well we need 47% equity to have a BE call here. Him being unknown I'm not sure what his jamming range is (ldo), but if he is shoving 22, 33, JJ+, AK, AJ, KJ and nothing else then we can call with AJ. But I'm unsure how accurate that range is. I wouldn't consider calling any lighter than AJ.

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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

Well we need 47% equity to have a BE call here. Him being unknown I'm not sure what his jamming range is (ldo), but if he is shoving 22, 33, JJ+, AK, AJ, KJ and nothing else then we can call with AJ. But I'm unsure how accurate that range is. I wouldn't consider calling any lighter than AJ.

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sb doesn't have ak here much.
My stab at villain's range:
22, 33, 99, TT, JJ+, AJ, KJs, and a little bit of ATC - but not enough to matter in this spot...

True.. AK is a stretch.. I got too caught up in him being a total retard and just threw something in there that would be behind AJ, but have some equity.

JJ

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

JJ

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33?

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JJ

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33?

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yea 33 as well

whoa sick nits in this thread. i wouldnt even consider folding AJ for one second.

I don't think I would fold AJ either, what's the worst hand you would call with nutsinho?

fucking stations

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JJ

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33?

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yea 33 as well

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just remembered why I didn't include 33 was b/c I doubt dean raises it PF here

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Originally Posted by nutsinho

whoa sick nits in this thread. i wouldnt even consider folding AJ for one second.

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haha, i was going to say AJ+ for sure but then all these people were like sets only got me thinking twice.

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Originally Posted by daven

i NEVER fold aj here, if that helps any

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AJ is a call for me. KJ might be a lil closer but I probably still call.

I raise any 2 against a 70bb stack in the big blind, which is party why this is tough....

ooh I'm going to expand my range b/c I thought this was 2/4

I'm now not folding sets/JJ+

No one thinks SB wouldn't do this with 99 or TT? I've seen this before.

my friend (who is a top notch player) and i each independently came up with JT or better. I wouldnt call you a nit if you stuck with QJ or better though...

J4+

this is a shorty donk with no avatar
ship it

well i had j4o

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

J4+

this is a shorty donk with no avatar
ship it

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

well i had j4o

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OMG the bots can read minds. Head for the hills!

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J4+

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So J4 but not J2 or J3? Shouldn't that just be Jx?

Please note that J2 and J3 have made two pair.

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Originally Posted by nutsinho

Please note that J2 and J3 have made two pair.

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Noted.


I'm hoping the bot understood that and that's why he said J4, assuming two pair was instacall.

im pretty sure it was able to process that information

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No one thinks SB wouldn't do this with 99 or TT? I've seen this before.

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This. On first read through of the hand i was thinking SB had 99/TT.

That a big bet to call with J4o especially on an unknown.

I fold.

Could this possibly be 54s to spades, hearts, or diamonds?

Hmm, doesn't seem to matter:

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Board: 2s 3d Jh
Dead: 

        equity        win        tie              pots won        pots tied       
Hand 0:        28.504%          25.12%        03.39%                231023            31134.00  { J4o }
Hand 1:        71.496%          68.11%        03.39%                626419            31134.00  { 99+, 33-22, AJs, KJs, QJs, J2s+, 5d4d, 5h4h, 5s4s, AJo, KJo, QJo, J7o+ }

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Against that range for villain, we need at least JTs with the backdoor flush draw or QJo:

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Hand 0:        45.318%          40.59%        04.72%                360495            41946.00  { JTo }

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Hand 0:        47.885%          43.38%        04.51%                  42942              4464.00  { JdTd }

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Hand 0:        52.999%          48.64%        04.35%                431979            38670.00  { QJo }

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22, 33, JJ, AA, J4, J3

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Originally Posted by nutsinho

im pretty sure it was able to process that information

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http://www.myextralife.com/wow/wp-co...n_of_death.gif

imo

sounds like I need to move up to 400NL where they call my value shoves

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Originally Posted by iopq

sounds like I need to move up to 400NL where they call my value shoves

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Please go to 400NL, limp-call from the SB and open-shove the flop if you flop a monster, and then report on how well it works out for you.

(Any time you flop a monster, you're going to make a lot of money on average. The fact that this shove would get paid off by KJ doesn't actually prove anything.)

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sounds like I need to move up to 400NL where they call my value shoves

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Please go to 400NL, limp-call from the SB and open-shove the flop if you flop a monster, and then report on how well it works out for you.

(Any time you flop a monster, you're going to make a lot of money on average. The fact that this shove would get paid off by KJ doesn't actually prove anything.)

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qft