Play aces the same way??

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11-24-2008, 02:09 AM
Roco415

Play aces the same way??

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($17.60)
Hero (CO) ($24.40)
Button ($10.60)
SB ($8.20)
BB ($13.80)
UTG ($14)
MP1 ($24)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
UTG calls $0.25, MP1 raises to $1, MP2 calls $1, Hero raises to $3.85, 4 folds, MP1 calls $2.85, MP2 calls $2.85

Flop: ($12.15) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $8, MP1 raises to $20.15 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $12.15

Turn: ($52.45) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($52.45) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $52.45 | Rake: $2.55
11-24-2008, 02:21 AM
Sugar Nut

3bet more preflop.

Make it $4.5 at least. People's biggest mistake at these levels (and beyond) is calling too much. Make them make an even bigger mistake by calling with even worse odds.

As played it's fairly standard and a cooler if you lost (which I assume).

Sugart Nut
11-24-2008, 02:29 AM
martindcx1e

nh
11-24-2008, 02:44 AM
Roco415

no he actually Had KK...lol surprisngly, i jsut wanted to see if you agreed with the play. i mean i cant always assume someone flops set on me although it seems that way. what would you 3 bet to?
11-24-2008, 02:51 AM
mieczkowusc

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Originally Posted by martindcx1e

nh

I would second that. Just keep getting the money in when you are ahead.
11-24-2008, 03:16 AM
kmind

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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut

3bet more preflop.

Make it $4.5 at least. People's biggest mistake at these levels (and beyond) is calling too much. Make them make an even bigger mistake by calling with even worse odds.

As played it's fairly standard and a cooler if you lost (which I assume).

Sugart Nut
11-24-2008, 04:07 AM
Roco415

lol some how i missed the 4.5 amount stated, sorry about that haha. thanks
11-24-2008, 11:10 AM
oskar

I wouldn't raise much more PF. You want to give them a chance to hit. 4,5 is probably good. 3.8 isn't a mistake imo.
On the flop you're getting 2:1, so folding is really hard. A lot of players (including me) will check-raise this board on a strong draw against the initial raiser.
11-24-2008, 11:47 AM
Sugar Nut

I highly doubt that villains in this hand will base their decision to call or fold on the size of the 3bet.

Definitely no need to make it less than pot
11-24-2008, 01:15 PM
martindcx1e

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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut

I highly doubt that villains in this hand will base their decision to call or fold on the size of the 3bet.

why would you doubt this? the less you 3bet the more often they will call, and the more you 3bet the less often they will call...pretty simple. if you min-3bet they will call way more often then if you shove-3bet.
11-24-2008, 01:49 PM
sil693

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Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar Nut

I highly doubt that villains in this hand will base their decision to call or fold on the size of the 3bet.

if you min-3bet they will call way more often then if you shove-3bet.

HUGE difference between min 3 betting and 3bet shoving.

not such a big difference between 3betting to $3.85 and 3betting to $4.50. I think thats the important bit - at this level, if they'll call $3.85 then they'll be more than willing to call $4.50 the majority of the time.
11-24-2008, 02:04 PM
martindcx1e

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Originally Posted by sil693

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut

I highly doubt that villains in this hand will base their decision to call or fold on the size of the 3bet.

if you min-3bet they will call way more often then if you shove-3bet.

HUGE difference between min 3 betting and 3bet shoving.

not such a big difference between 3betting to $3.85 and 3betting to $4.50. I think thats the important bit - at this level, if they'll call $3.85 then they'll be more than willing to call $4.50 the majority of the time.

right. sugar didn't say that though (i guess maybe that's what he was getting at though).
11-24-2008, 04:43 PM
kmind

Pretty sure it was obvious what Sugar Nut meant.
11-24-2008, 05:07 PM
martindcx1e

guess you're right sorry everyone move along :D
11-24-2008, 05:32 PM
kmind

Wasn't trying to come off a douche btw - realized my post may have that tone
11-24-2008, 05:34 PM
martindcx1e

it's all good
11-24-2008, 06:34 PM
Roco415

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar Nut

I highly doubt that villains in this hand will base their decision to call or fold on the size of the 3bet.

why would you doubt this? the less you 3bet the more often they will call, and the more you 3bet the less often they will call...pretty simple. if you min-3bet they will call way more often then if you shove-3bet.

i really dont think you are correct in this assumption. i dont think this relationship is linear. how many times have you been much more suspicious of a huge shove than of a mid size value looking bet.? and even further, how often do you sense a small minnish value bet and just fold even though youre getting amazing odds?
11-24-2008, 07:55 PM
flopmonkey

I was wondering about this too, Thanks for posting.
11-25-2008, 12:52 AM
Sugar Nut

i never advocated shoving. Just making it pot at least.

And I know for a fact that cally players in my games don't draw a line between a less-than-pot and a pot 3bet if they've decided to play their hand.

Can't imagine this is different at 25NL
11-25-2008, 01:08 AM
bigspenda73

you guys wanting to 3bet bigger are just huge nits that never 3bet light.

Seeing how OP is probably one of you, I'll agree with making it $4.25 minimum.
11-25-2008, 02:00 AM
martindcx1e

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Originally Posted by Roco415

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Originally Posted by martindcx1e

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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut

I highly doubt that villains in this hand will base their decision to call or fold on the size of the 3bet.

why would you doubt this? the less you 3bet the more often they will call, and the more you 3bet the less often they will call...pretty simple. if you min-3bet they will call way more often then if you shove-3bet.

i really dont think you are correct in this assumption. i dont think this relationship is linear. how many times have you been much more suspicious of a huge shove than of a mid size value looking bet.? and even further, how often do you sense a small minnish value bet and just fold even though youre getting amazing odds?

go ahead and start 3bet shoving AA every time and see how profitable it is for you then.
11-25-2008, 02:03 AM

didnt' he 3b pot or am I missing something here
11-25-2008, 02:07 AM
Sugar Nut

pot would be exactly $4.60