Is it okay stacking off here?

Hand 1
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($8.07)
SB ($5.46)
Hero (BB) ($6.35)
UTG ($1.08)
MP ($7.21)
CO ($9.98)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
1 fold, MP raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Button calls $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.10, Button raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, 1 fold, Button raises to $1.40, Hero raises to $6.20 (All-In), Button calls $4.80

Turn: ($12.97) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($12.97) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $12.97 | Rake: $0.60

Results:
Button had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (straight, Ace high).
Hero had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Button won $12.37


Hand 2
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($6.91)
CO ($4.93)
Button ($7.86)
SB ($3.72)
BB ($7.71)
UTG ($2.69)
Hero (UTG+1) ($5.17)
MP1 ($10.41)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.15, 1 fold, Button calls $0.15, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.65) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.45, 1 fold, Button raises to $0.90, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.70, Button raises to $5, Hero raises to $5.02 (All-In), Button calls $0.02

Turn: ($10.69) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($10.69) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10.69 | Rake: $0.50

Results:
Button had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (straight, Ace high).
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (two pair, Aces and Kings).
Outcome: Button won $10.19

Don't post results, sir.

I'd play them a little differently, but I would lose all my chips here.

hand 1 - easy stack off. you are 50% against a range of 2 pairs, sets (and a higher set isn't very likely anyways), and straights.

hand 2 - after your raise to 1.70 you have to win 31% of the time to break even on calling an all-in. you are winning more often than that by a lot so easy stack off.

and ya don't post results, although it doesn't really matter in these hands.

This is my opinion, however I am new, but will love to see how my advice would compare to others.

Hand 1, you should have re-raised pre-flop. If called, then full pot to pot and 1/2 c-bet that flop. When re-raised, fold. Best case is that they are drawing to a better hand, pp Q's, pp J's Worst case they have a better hand. Personally I believe that if pre-flop would have been played properly you would have either taken it down pre-flop, or had a good idea to fold the re-raise after the flop.

Hand 2, I am thinking no. You were facing a straight and being bet into for all your chips. Which weakens your hand. I personally will not call all in with AK unless I have the nuts, or believe I do.

But fear not, they were not bad hands and if all your losses could be that stellar, I would be happy.

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Originally Posted by trilerian

This is my opinion, however I am new, but will love to see how my advice would compare to others.

Hand 1, you should have re-raised pre-flop. If called, then full pot to pot and 1/2 c-bet that flop. When re-raised, fold. Best case is that they are drawing to a better hand, pp Q's, pp J's Worst case they have a better hand. Personally I believe that if pre-flop would have been played properly you would have either taken it down pre-flop, or had a good idea to fold the re-raise after the flop.

Hand 2, I am thinking no. You were facing a straight and being bet into for all your chips. Which weakens your hand. I personally will not call all in with AK unless I have the nuts, or believe I do.

But fear not, they were not bad hands and if all your losses could be that stellar, I would be happy.

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ok i guess posting the results did matter this time too :D

trilerian, what range of hands do you put villains on in both hands? give every hand you think is reasonable for them to have given the action.

also,

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Originally Posted by trilerian

I personally will not call all in with AK unless I have the nuts

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this is bad. don't make rules like this. poker doesn't work that way.

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Originally Posted by martindcx1e

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Originally Posted by trilerian

This is my opinion, however I am new, but will love to see how my advice would compare to others.

Hand 1, you should have re-raised pre-flop. If called, then full pot to pot and 1/2 c-bet that flop. When re-raised, fold. Best case is that they are drawing to a better hand, pp Q's, pp J's Worst case they have a better hand. Personally I believe that if pre-flop would have been played properly you would have either taken it down pre-flop, or had a good idea to fold the re-raise after the flop.

Hand 2, I am thinking no. You were facing a straight and being bet into for all your chips. Which weakens your hand. I personally will not call all in with AK unless I have the nuts, or believe I do.

But fear not, they were not bad hands and if all your losses could be that stellar, I would be happy.

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ok i guess posting the results did matter this time too :D

trilerian, what range of hands do you put villains on in both hands? give every hand you think is reasonable for them to have given the action.

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Hand 1. That depends on how tight the player is. Being the villain bet 3xbb in mp, I would say at least 66+ 78+. I would not put him on AA, KK. Stacking off in hand 1 was not bad, but the pre-flop play was bad. Pre-flop betting helps to narrow the range, and if I am played back at pre-flop, with that flop I am going to be more cautious and probably let it go when I get re-raised.

Hand 2. I wouldn't have called for all my chips, but the 2nd re-raise by hero, if me, would have been a push. Simply put, I don't like calling all my chips on scary boards, but I sure do like to push them. End result for hand 2 would have been the same, I would have lost my butt, but not been to upset about it, as I would make the same play again.

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Originally Posted by trilerian

Hand 2. I wouldn't have called for all my chips

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what hands do you put him on after he raises you all-in? i'm just thinking that maybe you are being results oriented. 2 pair makes up a big part of his range too.

also, overbetting just because the board looks scary isn't really that great.

for hand 2...

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

36,630 games 0.005 secs 7,326,000 games/sec

Board: Ad Kc Tc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.385% 40.53% 05.86% 14846 2145.00 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 53.615% 47.76% 05.86% 17494 2145.00 { TT, AKs, AcQc, AcJc, ATs, KTs, QJs, AKo, ATo, KTo, QJo }

adding AA/KK to his range drops you by 2%. when villain raises to $5 it's $3.30 to call to win $7.35. it's an easy stack off given this range. throw in any other combo draws, pure draws or bluffs and it just gets better for hero.

seriously if another person post results in a thread I'm going to go insane

I vote for temporary 2-day ban of anyone posting results.

[quote="martindcx1e"]

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Originally Posted by trilerian

Hand 2. I wouldn't have called for all my chips

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what hands do you put him on after he raises you all-in? i'm just thinking that maybe you are being results oriented. 2 pair makes up a big part of his range too.

also, overbetting just because the board looks scary isn't really that great.[/quot]

The range of hands is pretty high, could be as low as 10 J up to Q Q. And since only one of those hands is better than heroes, it might not have been a bad call, I just don't like to call.

STOP POSTING THE EXPLETIVE RESULTS

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Originally Posted by AFchung

Is it ok stacking off here?

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1) Yes.
2) Meh. I may try to control the pot a little bit more on the flop, only because I've found that kind of action means my two pair is already dominated or at least extremely vulnerable. That being said, it'll probably all be in by the flop anyway.

hand 1 fine
hand 2 raise more pre-flop, stacking off here is ok - but 4-way vs fish I probably flat his flop re-raise for a little bit of game control - don't blow worse hands out of the water etc. I get it in on the turn anyway

Hand 1, you're ahead of his range
Hand 2, you're break-even with his range so might as well call the flop raise and see if he wants to put all of his chips in later... you may decide to put your chips in anyway, but sometimes you'll get away with losing only half of your stack to a better hand

There IS a hand posting guide that's stickied in this forum. We could ignore posts that have results in them? I dunno, I sometimes edit posts if I get to them before people have a chance to comment, but there's only so much we can do if people don't want to listen. Some people will just forever be results oriented.

you're the mod, remove results, please

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Originally Posted by iopq

you're the mod, remove results, please

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I remove them when I see fit and in this case, there was no point.

And yes I know I'm the mod, thanks :)