2 tough rivers imo 400NL

Hand 1 Villain is a good 14/12, no real history. I'm 12/9. My hand is kind of face up here

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saw flow

MP2 ($117.70)
CO ($410.10)
Button ($388)
SB ($402)
Hero (BB) ($400)
UTG ($566.70)
UTG+1 ($416.15)
MP1 ($476.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $12, MP1 calls $12, 1 fold, CO calls $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($50) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks

Turn: ($50) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets $32, 1 fold, MP1 calls $32, 1 fold

River: ($114) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $60, MP1 raises to $160, Hero

Hand 2 Villain is another good 14/12 and knows I can vbet kind of thin here. I've seen him do some questionable things but nothing to nutty

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saw flow

SB ($424.10)
Hero (BB) ($400)
UTG ($406)
UTG+1 ($418.90)
MP1 ($567.40)
MP2 ($400)
CO ($400)
Button ($302.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
UTG raises to $12, 4 folds, Button calls $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($38) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $24, 1 fold, Hero calls $24

Turn: ($86) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($86) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $52, UTG raises to $168, Hero

eww these make so little sense

i hate the flop play on both hands and i could easily be wrong

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

i hate the flop play on both hands and i could easily be wrong

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Hand 2 is debatable, and not the way I always play it, but why would I lead hand 1...

flop seems fine/standard/optimal for both and not even debatable for 1. I'm guessing you thought he led the flop or something.

hand 1: 55. Play is standard imo on your end if you end up folding river.

hand 2: two black jacks. Also fine play by you here except I am calling expecting to see a wiffed AK....maybe 33

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Originally Posted by nutsinho

flop seems fine/standard/optimal for both and not even debatable for 1. I'm guessing you thought he led the flop or something.

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I really want to lead hand 1, beat the shit out of me and my ideas because I know you love being right! And does the hand the ferocity with which you beat me decrease if its 3 people or HU?

i guess i dont hate it. u have some equity and probably a profitable barreling opportunity if u can get the PFR out of the way. It just seems a bit too thin given that there are 4 players in the pot. In multiway pots in full ring games i feel like someone has at least toppest pair constantly.

oh idunno i lead oop on boards like this all the time and i'm pretty sure it's profitable