This hand sums up the last 10 days...

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11-08-2008, 12:03 AM
kb coolman

This hand sums up the last 10 days...

All gains over the past 6 weeks are gone, and I'm back even overall. Very, very frustrating.

Not enough hands for a read on the villan yet. I had barely completed an orbit, but he seemed pretty standard.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($3.60)
Hero (SB) ($9.75)
BB ($22.05)
UTG ($15.75)
MP1 ($1.75)
MP2 ($28.50)
CO ($12.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
UTG raises to $0.40, 2 folds, CO calls $0.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.35, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.30) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $0.50, UTG raises to $1.60, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.10

Turn: ($4.50) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.90, UTG raises to $13.75 (All-In), Hero calls $4.85 (All-In)

River: ($20) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20 | Rake: $0.95

Results in white below:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (three of a kind, Jacks).
UTG had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (three of a kind, Jacks).
Outcome: UTG won $19.05
11-08-2008, 12:15 AM
will641

i just 3-bet the flop, but obviously you have to call when he jams turn.
11-08-2008, 12:37 AM
kb coolman

Quote:

Originally Posted by will641

obviously you have to call when he jams turn.

Yep, I did. I don't know if I'm upset with my play or not...right now I've left the tables cause I'm on tilt control. But I swear I'm having a hard time with these kind of beats the past few days. Small wins here and there, and then massive hits on hands like this.

Eat like a bird, shit like and elephant. Negative variance sucks BALLZ.
11-08-2008, 02:53 AM
kmind

3betting the flop or how this is played is fine imo. I think when I get raised on this turn I'm not happy though but still calling.
11-08-2008, 08:40 AM

I want to get it in on the flop because I want to get money in when ahead
11-08-2008, 11:21 AM
spoonitnow

I'm surprised no one has commented on your flop bet size. It's a bit low. Something $0.80-$1.20 would be better imo.
11-08-2008, 11:23 AM
kb coolman

Yea. I don't know what I was thinking there. I remember contemplating a PSB, but can't remember why I backed off.
11-08-2008, 11:38 AM
Robb

Just remember that these are high variance hands. You're playing a draw which will pay off bigtime when it hits. But they miss a lot.
11-08-2008, 12:09 PM
Illfavor

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

I want to get it in on the flop because I want to get money in when ahead

This.
11-08-2008, 12:30 PM
Ragnar4

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

I'm surprised no one has commented on your flop bet size. It's a bit low. Something $0.80-$1.20 would be better imo.

Why?
no seriously
why?
11-08-2008, 12:36 PM
Ragnar4

lol never mind.

I had an early morning stupids question.. I figgure it out myself.
11-08-2008, 01:10 PM
martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

I'm surprised no one has commented on your flop bet size. It's a bit low. Something $0.80-$1.20 would be better imo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kb coolman

Yea. I don't know what I was thinking there. I remember contemplating a PSB, but can't remember why I backed off.

i've been seeing this type of stuff a lot lately it seems...ppl who know not to make weird weak bets making weird weak bets and then saying, "oh ya i dunno what was going through my mind. i shouldn't have done that obviously." well is it really that obvious? why did you make the bet? i'm not singling you out kb cuz i dunno if you've done this multiple times or not. i just really wonder why these kinds of bets are being made in the first place if they aren't typos. "i dunno what i was thinking" bets eventually turn into leaks.
11-08-2008, 01:37 PM
kb coolman

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

why did you make the bet? i'm not singling you out kb cuz i dunno if you've done this multiple times or not. i just really wonder why these kinds of bets are being made in the first place if they aren't typos. "i dunno what i was thinking" bets eventually turn into leaks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kb coolman

I don't know if I'm upset with my play or not...right now I've left the tables cause I'm on tilt control.

This.

I flopped TPGK and the flush draw. There is no logical reason for me not to place a PSB here.

And I know it's a drawy board and the variance is high. Other than my opener on the flop, I'm not upset with my play. The point of the post is that I'm a noob and I'm trying really, really hard to deal with my first measurable, days-long downswing in a manner that will improve my game over the long run. This hand sums up pretty much every hand that has killed me. Over the past few days...TPGK beat by TPTK and the like. I post this here becuase I know I'll get positive, contructive feedback from guys like you, and it helps me settle down my emotions from loosing another big pot.
11-08-2008, 02:01 PM
martindcx1e

smart to take a break. i don't really remember my first big downswing but man it must really suck if you never had one before. just remember, it's not the end of the world. you don't need to overhaul everything about your game. this will happen again...and again and again.
11-08-2008, 02:08 PM

you flopped TPGK and a flush draw
there is no reason why you shouldn't shove the flop
11-08-2008, 02:33 PM
Robb

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

you flopped TPGK and a flush draw
there is no reason why you shouldn't shove the flop

easy to say, but a bit harder to do when you're tilting a bit

kb, man, sorry to hear you're running bad - keep playing solid ABC poker, and things will turn around.
11-08-2008, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robb

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

you flopped TPGK and a flush draw
there is no reason why you shouldn't shove the flop

easy to say, but a bit harder to do when you're tilting a bit

clicking a button is hard now?
what?
11-08-2008, 04:33 PM
spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robb

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

you flopped TPGK and a flush draw
there is no reason why you shouldn't shove the flop

easy to say, but a bit harder to do when you're tilting a bit

clicking a button is hard now?
what?

You play poker with your head, not your hands.
11-08-2008, 04:51 PM
AFchung

Quote:

easy to say, but a bit harder to do when you're tilting a bit

i'm not sure how tilt affects this lol. TPGK and FD should be like 'oh i have a leet hand. shove shove shove'
11-08-2008, 05:42 PM
Robb

OP's on a downer that erased 6 weeks of winnings - he's been coolered, and tilted - repeatedly. Just saying the obvious play in the forum ain't so easy on a timer when you're all f**kt up in the head 'cuz the Poker Bitch is blue ballin' you.
11-08-2008, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robb

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

you flopped TPGK and a flush draw
there is no reason why you shouldn't shove the flop

easy to say, but a bit harder to do when you're tilting a bit

clicking a button is hard now?
what?

You play poker with your head, not your hands.

I play with my left brain and tell the right brain to listen to cool music
11-08-2008, 06:29 PM
jackvance

Hm nothing you can do about stacking on this hand man (although I dislike the weak flop lead).. but this shouldn't be totally erasing all your profits over such an extended period of time. I played 5 hours today, you don't want to know the set under sets I've seen (or sets vs quads), flush under flush, etc.. still I managed to play at 21ptBB/100 (+$190) so just take these beats in stride and make sure you get paid when you start hitting your hands :).
11-08-2008, 07:16 PM
spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackvance

Hm nothing you can do about stacking on this hand man (although I dislike the weak flop lead).. but this shouldn't be totally erasing all your profits over such an extended period of time. I played 5 hours today, you don't want to know the set under sets I've seen (or sets vs quads), flush under flush, etc.. still I managed to play at 21ptBB/100 (+$190) so just take these beats in stride and make sure you get paid when you start hitting your hands :).

Wait I thought iopq was your dupe?
11-08-2008, 08:28 PM
jackvance

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Wait I thought iopq was your dupe?

Why would I have a dupe?