A4s Squeeze + FD on flop.

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11-07-2008, 05:15 PM
wellrounded08

A4s Squeeze + FD on flop.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
A4s
SB ($10.40)
BB ($10)
UTG ($3.05)
MP1 ($9.70)
MP2 ($10.70)
CO ($10.60)
Hero (Button) ($18.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
1 fold, MP1 raises to $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40, Hero raises to $1.60, 2 folds, MP1 calls $1.20, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.75) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $3.60, 1 fold

Total pot: $3.75 | Rake: $0.15

Preflop I think villains are folding here ALOT. I was VERY surprised to so see a flat from that villain, very surprised.

Anyway, on the flop, if we assume that villain called with ANY PP then our bet is easily +EV in FE. So lets say villains continuing range is QQ+, Or equity vs that hand is 39%. And therefore, if he DOES hold this hand, and shoves over, we have lolez odds to call.

NEWAY who thinks what about what?
11-07-2008, 05:20 PM
Fnord

Bet less on the flop. Otherwise this is painfully standard.
11-07-2008, 05:46 PM
a500lbgorilla

Probably the only hand you fold out with 3.6 that you don't fold out with 2 is AQ
11-07-2008, 06:03 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Probably the only hand you fold out with 3.6 that you don't fold out with 2 is AQ

LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
11-07-2008, 06:04 PM
spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Probably the only hand you fold out with 3.6 that you don't fold out with 2 is AQ

And this is even less likely at these stakes.
11-07-2008, 06:54 PM
wellrounded08

ok.

So then my line w/ the FD is b/f?

BTW, that FD is the only reason I'm questioning this hand.
11-07-2008, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Probably the only hand you fold out with 3.6 that you don't fold out with 2 is AQ

he's calling a shove with AQ if he's like any NL10 player I know
11-07-2008, 07:25 PM
Fnord

Assuming a reasonable stack size.

If I re-raise somone pre-flop and flop a nut flush draw, all of my money is going in on the flop if my opponent raises me.
11-07-2008, 07:54 PM
kb coolman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Assuming a reasonable stack size.

If I re-raise somone pre-flop and flop a nut flush draw, all of my money is going in on the flop if my opponent raises me.

I struggle with this, because I alway get stuck on it being a coin flip to hit your suit. In a multiway pot, I realize it's always +EV to shove here. I'm a little more timid 2-way, but I'll generally put anyone else AI who has 1/2 my stack.

What is a reasonable stack size in this situation? Standard BI? Help me plug a gap, Fnord.
11-07-2008, 08:35 PM

yeah but you have other outs
11-07-2008, 08:39 PM
wellrounded08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Assuming a reasonable stack size.

If I re-raise somone pre-flop and flop a nut flush draw, all of my money is going in on the flop if my opponent raises me.

IC, so why bet 2.00 instead of 3.6? Does it matter?
11-07-2008, 08:45 PM
kb coolman

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

yeah but you have other outs

Yea, I figure 12 outs. 9 :club:s and 3 Aces, cause the 4s don't help you. Using the rule of 4, we're ~48%. When I run this through my calc tool, gives me 45% to win if my opponent has flopped any pair.

What am I missing?
11-07-2008, 09:05 PM

well if he raises you, you have pot odds to call at that point
11-07-2008, 09:06 PM
spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by kb coolman

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

yeah but you have other outs

Yea, I figure 12 outs. 9 :club:s and 3 Aces, cause the 4s don't help you. Using the rule of 4, we're ~48%. When I run this through my calc tool, gives me 45% to win if my opponent has flopped any pair.

What am I missing?

That occasionally he has Aces or a set.
11-07-2008, 10:44 PM
kb coolman

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by kb coolman

What am I missing?

That occasionally he has Aces or a set.

How is that encouraging me to shove on the draw?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

If I re-raise somone pre-flop and flop a nut flush draw, all of my money is going in on the flop if my opponent raises me.

I'm trying to understand how pot odds and stack size determine this decision in a 2-way pot. Sorry to be dense...I'm posting in BC, after all.