Or do stars 25NL and 50NL players rarely, if ever bluff?
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Or do stars 25NL and 50NL players rarely, if ever bluff?
They bluff sometimes
5% would be a close figure to the truth, but it depends on the circumstances
it depends
Full Ring, 6 max or HU?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash256
How do they play and how many tables?
What do they think of you? Do they feel they need to make a stand against you? Would they even notice?
Yes they bluff. At 50NL 6-max, at least.
they 3bet out of the blinds wayyyyyyyy too much and fold to 3bets wayyyyyy too much if that means anything. At least the regs if that's what you mean. But from my experience the answer is NO besides the preflop stuff. Obv. the cbetting / raising and repping absolutely nothing stuff too.
I think they don't 3bet nearly enough and they either fold way too much to 3bet or like almost never.
They rarely bluff for stacks, perhaps cheap 1 street bluffs but I've never run into anything too crazy.
Obviously you haven't run into me yetQuote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
agree with Spenda here. Most bluffs at 50NL 6 max (and is probably true in other games) is that a majority of the bluffing happens either pre-flop or on the flop.
If you run into someone that will bluff 3 streets make sure you make a note of it.
bluff less as possible
Dunno about 50nl, but every time I start pwn'ing myself at 25nl and 10nl, it's 'cuz I make too many of the "I think you're bluffing" river calls and they show down the immortal nuts.
+1 but at 50nl. Was one of my biggest leaks for quite some time. Countering it required consciously and systematically putting opponent on ranges, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
this is probably pure spew... but i think this guy was a regular judging by his stats... 16/12/2.5. i knew he wouldn't call with JJ or 99... and probably woulda bet out with TT (the flopped boat), cuz he was probably putting me on AA KK QQ or AK and maybe AQ (preflop). so if he flopped the boat he woulda played it stronger trying to stack me if i had AA KK or AQ. my turn bet looked either weakish or like a trap... when he bet out weak i just had a feeling he'd fold JJ.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($25)
SB ($23.50)
BB ($24.75)
UTG ($19.85)
MP ($34.80)
Hero (CO) ($30.95)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
1 fold, MP raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.50, 3 folds, MP calls $2.50
Flop: ($7.35) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($7.35) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $3.75, MP calls $3.75
River: ($14.85) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
MP bets $3.75, Hero raises to $23.70 (All-In), 1 fold
Total pot: $22.35 | Rake: $1.05
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($22.30)
SB ($35.45)
BB ($33.20)
Hero (UTG) ($60.15)
MP ($25.80)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold
Flop: ($3.25) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, 1 fold, SB calls $2.50
Turn: ($8.25) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
River: ($8.25) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls $4
Total pot: $16.25 | Rake: $0.75
he had A7
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (MP) ($38.80)
Button ($15.05)
SB ($31.95)
BB ($26.30)
UTG ($22.30)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, 3 folds, UTG calls $1
Flop: ($2.85) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.50, UTG calls $1.50
Turn: ($5.85) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks
River: ($5.85) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50
Total pot: $12.85 | Rake: $0.60
Results in white below:
UTG had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (high card, King).
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (high card, King).
Outcome: Hero won $12.25
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (BB) ($34.10)
UTG ($21.55)
Button ($26.45)
SB ($28.55)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
2 folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks
Flop: ($0.50) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($0.50) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
River: ($0.50) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, SB raises to $6, Hero calls $3.75
Total pot: $12.50 | Rake: $0.60
Results in white below:
SB had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (one pair, fours).
Hero had 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (three of a kind, fours).
Outcome: Hero won $11.90
I know this is a 6max discussion but I just played 600 hands of 25nl FR for a video and they ALWAYS have it, I cannot believe how mediocre of a hand JJ is against a typical 3betting range even from late position.
ya rly
I fold AQ OOP to a 3b in NL25 FR
I fold AQ OOP to a 3b in 6max most of the time
I lost a TON w/ JJ last night, spenda. It's funny you'd mention that. Kmind, I also tend to fold AQo / AQs to a 3bet oop. It's hard to play it profitably IN position for 100bb effective stacks after flatting a 3bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
AQ/JJ is a fold to a 3 bet shove for sure at 25NL. but depending on the player... and your image. if they are 3 betting from the blinds its AK alot. so seeing a flop and calling a cbet is good with TT, JJ, QQ. or even a 4bet is good depending on the player. lately, i've been playing 22/18/3. so i tend to get 3bet a bit more often i think. a 4bet sometimes tell them "i have it this time". but depending on the player... I fold AK, JJ, QQ, to a 4bet or 5bet shove. this sounds crazy but, and i've said this before, depending on the player, a good case can be made to folding KK to a 4 or 5bet shove. especially when the guy is 16/12/2 or tighter and more passive.
also... my 3bet range is huge in position cuz people at 25NL respect it way to much.
ex. utg+1 raises to $1, i reraise to 3.50. utg+1 folds or checks the flop and i bet $4 and they fold. if they shove i fold unless i have it.
despite my posts in this thread, i do agree... bet river bets are a fold at 25NL unless you have a set with no str/flush possible... or you have the nut straight or flush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
I have began either 4betting or folding a high % of the time when I get 3b, whether in position or oop. Flatting 3bets oop makes it incredibly hard to play, and generally makes your hand transparent. It's a little less transparent when in position.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CorbinDallas
here were the JJ hands I played, only one looking back I hate was the min4bet once the nit IP flatted me, then I was getting like 3.6:1 and had to call it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (MP3) ($26.35)
CO ($4.40)
Button ($20.35)
SB ($33.45)
BB ($65.75)
UTG ($5.80)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($6.70)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, Button calls $1.25, 2 folds, UTG raises to $5.80 (All-In), Hero raises to $10.35, Button raises to $20.35 (All-In), Hero calls $10
Flop: ($46.85) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)
Turn: ($46.85) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($46.85) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $46.85 | Rake: $2.30
Results in white below:
Button had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (two pair, Aces and Queens).
UTG mucked Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (two pair, Kings and Queens).
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (two pair, Queens and Jacks).
Outcome: Button won $44.55
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($27)
MP2 ($9.35)
Hero (CO) ($28.15)
Button ($17.85)
SB ($9.20)
BB ($24.05)
UTG ($20.20)
UTG+1 ($24.40)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, SB raises to $9.20 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $8.45
Flop: ($18.65) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ($18.65) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($18.65) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $18.65 | Rake: $0.90
Results in white below:
SB had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (two pair, Aces and Kings).
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (full house, Jacks over Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $17.75
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($26.25)
SB ($24)
Hero (BB) ($36.70)
UTG ($15.60)
UTG+1 ($4.65)
MP1 ($15.20)
MP2 ($23.15)
CO ($25)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button raises to $1.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.75, 1 fold, Button raises to $10, 1 fold
Total pot: $9.85 | Rake: $0
Results in white below:
Button didn't show
Outcome: Button won $9.85