How'd I do?

Opponent is TAggy and we have a little history. So I assume he knows I open too light and don't c-bet a lot.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($200.00)
Hero ($226.40)
CO ($297.80)
BTN ($207.50)
SB ($77.00)
BB ($294.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 :9d: :9h:
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, BTN calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: :7c: :8c: :7s: ($15, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: :9s: ($15, 2 players)
Hero bets $10, BTN raises to $32, Hero calls $22

River: :6h: ($79, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $57, Hero goes all-in $188.40

I think you risk a check behind quite a bit unless he's capable of firing a bluff here to try to get you off an overpair.

Based on your history and if he does know you don't cbet much, I like it. I think you can talk someone into FPS here if you have history with them.

Against an unknown, I try to jam the turn.

Unless you're another level up than I usually get with people I think it's imperative that you cbet this flop with this hand because it's a flop that looks like it misses your range a lot.

On the turn I like a small 3bet because firstly he has a strong second best hand a lot, he might spazz with the amount of levelling that 3betting implies is occurring and I don't think he can fold a spade draw anyway.

River is standard as played.

Bet the flop I'd imagine.

After the flop I'd say the rest is pretty standard.

As played how about weak leading the river to induce a shove? Say bet $35-45 ish?

Guess it depends on history etc..

a small bet/raise/3bet allin looks stronger then a c/r allin. he could be less inclined to raise again when you bet and just call with a mediocre hand or fold bluffs, instead of thinking he might be ahead and v-bet light or bluff missed draws.

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Originally Posted by Irisheyes

On the turn I like a small 3bet because firstly he has a strong second best hand a lot, he might spazz with the amount of levelling that 3betting implies is occurring and I don't think he can fold a spade draw anyway.

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This was my biggest concern.

edit: Sometime I bet this flop, sometimes I don't. We've been playing some cheap street mind games and I thought I'd let him put some money in light.

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Originally Posted by yourfather

As played how about weak leading the river to induce a shove? Say bet $35-45 ish?

Guess it depends on history etc..

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Horrible board for this.

My hand looks a lot like something I can't call a river bet with. I was hoping that he'd bet a little bigger...

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Originally Posted by mcatdog

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Originally Posted by yourfather

As played how about weak leading the river to induce a shove? Say bet $35-45 ish?

Guess it depends on history etc..

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Horrible board for this.

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I was thinking he might jam any other boat on this river, I could be off.

What do you think villain has?

I know 25-50nl players would prob shove over a weak lead/blocker type bet alot with strong hands. Maybe at 200nl its bad.

If he's got a boat all the money is going into the pot unless I do something really stupid.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

If he's got a boat all the money is going into the pot unless I do something really stupid.

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True. Was thinking he could shove over with a few more hands although i didn't indicate that like J10 and occasionally as a bluff.

I assume he b/f.

looks good to me since he prob bets everything he calls with on riv

am i the only one that thinks checking this flop is pretty bad ??

i mean, if u were in position, that'd be another thing, but you are oop and there are so many turn cards you will have to c/f on. say he bets, what r u gonna checkraise? ... c/c then what on a Jack turn ??? i dont get it...

i think it makes zero sense for u to have anything on the turn, though its a bit easier to think u had been sandbagging a hand if u wait til the river to make this c/r all in. given, if his hand is strong enough hes stacking off no matter what, but i do think u get more light stack offs by putting in another raise on the turn.

read the thread imo

bet flop, 3-bet turn

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Originally Posted by Renton

bet flop, 3-bet turn

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ldo

checking the flop is utterly horrid, the rest of the hand is played perfectly. i dont agree one bit with 3betting the turn. leading the river is also very bad: what advantage do we gain by making our hand look like Tx when he's going to be bet/calling any hand better than Tx already and is far more likely to bluff when checked to than when we lead?

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Originally Posted by nutsinho

i dont agree one bit with 3betting the turn.

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please explain

if you really decided to just c/f KJss (or something like that) on the flop would you call this turn raise or get into a pissing match on the turn with it because you don't believe him and you think he will only believe you if you bet lots of money? If you went for a goofy check/call with T9 or 89 on the flop would you now 3bet the turn? If you just call here your range is pretty balanced, and you can credibly represent turning a missed draw or weak made hand into a bluff on the river when you check/raise. If you 3bet it just looks like you made an awful slowplay with a boat/quads on the flop.

I don't think having a credible range is reason enough to flat the turn. Villain appears to have a pretty strong hand or appears to be bluffing. This isn't 25/50, so I don't see a ton of merit in calling to allow him to bluff the river. However theres a ton of ways considering board texture for him to have a 7 and not stack off on the river if we don't 3-bet right now.

Yes 3-betting the turn is representing a really narrow range of made hands, but thats actually not that bad here, because there are a bunch of draws we could have turned. In my experience unless villain is quite good, we shouldn't get a ton of credit.

But mainly I just think he has a seven or a straight a lot and probably won't fold it.

[ ] villain has a 7
[ ] we are expected to check flop, then b3b turn with a draw on a paired board

Flop:
When I open from EP is check/call ever a good line?

Turn: We both totally look like we're full of it. Consider the hands he could have:
o A monster he checked behind. (we get his money always because we turned an even bigger monster.)
o Air because my line is total shit, but he can't take any heat so at best I get a river stab out of him.
o Some draw he picked up and will often bet the river either as a bluff or for value if he hits.
o Something with showdown value he's raising now for value indending on checking the river behind.

I think the last is the vast minority of his range.

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Originally Posted by nutsinhbo

[ ] villain has a 7

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yeah my bad i had the action wrong

still think its an easy 3-bet turn at these stakes

if you shoved the river then this hand is perfectly played imo.

jesus listen to nutsinho