3 Hands for Review - 10nl

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10-21-2008, 10:19 AM
MrWee

3 Hands for Review - 10nl

Playing 16/8 so the stats are heading in the right direction...

$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
10 players

Stacks:
UTG _FatBstrd_ ($7.78)
UTG+1 tranquillo ($9.90)
UTG+2 GAZZATOONS ($8.00)
MP1 robandpat ($8.50)
MP2 yakker1 ($9.35)
MP3 Hero ($10.30)
CO JessicaGirl3 ($9.23)
BTN BELLATIA ($4.08)
SB Minde ($12.61)
BB skyjacktssss ($9.90)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 10 players) Hero is MP3 :th: :kh:
_FatBstrd_ calls $0.10, 1 fold, GAZZATOONS calls $0.10, robandpat calls $0.10, yakker1 calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, JessicaGirl3 calls $0.10, BELLATIA calls $0.10, Minde calls $0.05, skyjacktssss checks

Flop: :6s: :kd: :6h: ($0.90, 9 players)
Minde checks, skyjacktssss checks, _FatBstrd_ checks, GAZZATOONS checks, robandpat checks, yakker1 checks, Hero checks, JessicaGirl3 checks, BELLATIA checks

Turn: :2h: ($0.90, 9 players)
Minde checks, skyjacktssss bets $0.35, 2 folds, robandpat calls $0.35, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.35, 2 folds, Minde folds

River: :7h: ($1.95, 3 players)
skyjacktssss bets $1.50, robandpat folds, Hero raises to $3, skyjacktssss goes all-in $8.05, Hero calls $6.55

Min raised the river because I thought he had trips and looking back I think calling the shove is ridiculous because there's basically nothing he's pushing that I'm beating

$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
10 players

Stacks:
UTG prov1x ($15.36)
UTG+1 S3calhar ($9.55)
UTG+2 kellyc ($3.40)
MP1 bozalapo ($4.75)
MP2 Hero ($8.45)
MP3 pagalman ($7.63)
CO skyjacktssss ($18.45)
BTN dwaynebanned ($5.55)
SB jigglyballs ($2.51)
BB herbert2 ($22.57)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 10 players) Hero is MP2 :ad: :qd:
2 folds, kellyc calls $0.10, bozalapo calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, 4 folds, herbert2 calls $0.50, kellyc calls $0.50, bozalapo calls $0.50

Flop: :jc: :4s: :7h: ($2.45, 4 players)
herbert2 checks, kellyc checks, bozalapo checks, Hero checks

Turn: :9h: ($2.45, 4 players)
herbert2 checks, kellyc bets $1.10, 1 fold, Hero folds, herbert2 folds

C-bet flop? Was this a good fold or super weak?

$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
10 players

Stacks:
UTG Hero ($8.10)
UTG+1 JessicaGirl3 ($9.41)
UTG+2 BELLATIA ($5.63)
MP1 Minde ($10.10)
MP2 luckyoldme1 ($6.29)
MP3 _FatBstrd_ ($7.28)
CO bennyboy44_6 ($10.79)
BTN GAZZATOONS ($8.10)
SB robandpat ($7.08)
BB yakker1 ($9.67)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 10 players) Hero is UTG :qh: :ah:
Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Minde calls $0.40, 6 folds

Flop: :2d: :kc: :td: ($0.95, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.23, Minde calls $0.23

Turn: :qd: ($1.41, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, Minde calls $0.35

River: :jc: ($2.11, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.52, Minde raises to $2, Hero calls $1.48

Bad call?
10-21-2008, 11:05 AM
ponyboy

Hand 1: Fold preflop or if you're going to limp at least bet at the flop with TPMK. that many limpers = many problem hands you could run into with this board. You got in really deep here with not a good hand IMO. As played fold river.

Hand 2: 6xBB raise and four callers? Wow. C-bet flop for probably $2 and likely take it down right there.

Hand 3: Why c-bet this hand when you didn't c-bet the one before? And bet more all the way down - both flop and turn bets are weak. Villain had odds all day to call. As played I call river and likely get a split. If she had two diamonds then it's bad luck but you could have known that earlier.

Just my opinions, feel free to critique.
10-21-2008, 11:26 AM
MrWee

I agree hand 1 was all kinds of bad. Hand 2 I was reluctant to c-bet with so many limpers - should this change? If I had c-bet I wouldn't be $2 into $2.45. Again should I reasses my c-betting? Yeah hand 3 was weak.
10-21-2008, 11:37 AM
al yell

1: i don't mind seeing a cheap flop but I'd bet the flop.. no need to get fancy on the River. Just call.

2: cbet and fold to resistance. there are potentially a lot of good turn cards for u / as played it's fine to fold

3: like ponyboy said, bets are way too small on flop/turn / as played i think i call River.
10-21-2008, 02:54 PM

hand 1: I bet the flop and don't really want to see too much action

hand 2: err don't cbet into like 3 people
we expect our cbet to work 70% against a single caller
that means it works 49% against two callers
that means it works 34.3% against 3 callers

now if you check the flop and it checks around to you on the turn, you can bet more confidently
or you could even raise this little stab at the pot if you feel he might be pretty weak

hand 3: cbet at least 70 cents, check the turn because you're behind his range
10-21-2008, 04:07 PM
martindcx1e

1) Calling preflop is fine you nits.

2)Not cbetting is good. Don't make a habit of cbetting into 3 ppl.
10-21-2008, 07:18 PM
MrWee

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

we expect our cbet to work 70% against a single caller
that means it works 49% against two callers
that means it works 34.3% against 3 callers

I'm maybe being really dense but where do these numbers come from?
10-21-2008, 09:31 PM

villain has two cards
if they're not pocket pairs, we'll say they're two cards above a nine
if the flop is jack high, the chance of one of them not holding a jack is C(15,2)/C(19,2) = 61.4%

but if they have pps from 22-JJ the chance of that person missing a set is like 87%
so I just said 70% because we don't know if they have pps or broadways (but there are more combinations of broadways than pps)
10-22-2008, 06:27 AM
MrWee

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

the chance of one of them not holding a jack is C(15,2)/C(19,2) = 61.4%

Where do these numbers come from?
10-22-2008, 11:36 AM
Monty3038

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

hand 2: err don't cbet into like 3 people
we expect our cbet to work 70% against a single caller
that means it works 49% against two callers
that means it works 34.3% against 3 callers

now if you check the flop and it checks around to you on the turn, you can bet more confidently
or you could even raise this little stab at the pot if you feel he might be pretty weak

On the 2nd hand... I'm working out the C-bet thing. Here is my thought and tell me if I'm wrong or if this is too read dependent...

I raised to two earlier limpers pre-flop, with call from BB (may have been SB, sorry, I forget where herbert was at)... anyway, the two limpers are on a pretty wide and weak range as they didn't raise pre-flop, the call behind a 6xBB raise... well... that could be troublesome, but his stack size is major... the other two calling behind that aren't showing a lot of strength unless they are slowplaying... then they all check the flop.

Right here I take a big stab at the pot, might be more aggressive than is warranted or justified, but kelly c and bzalapo are both on Ax, 22+ ranges for me, if one of them hit shouldn't they be betting? I'm concerned about Herbert2, but to isolate him I have to bet, and unless he set I think he's putting me on TT+ and folding to my aggression if he doesn't have me beat...

Or am I totally off base here?
10-22-2008, 01:08 PM
eternal

I did the same thing as hand one last night, flush vs the paired board and a push on the river. I would defiantly call the psb on the river as lots of times trips is the best hand and they would be betting. Re raising is just putting you in a bad spot where the only people calling are beating you.

hand 2 I think is fine, so many people on that flop someone has to be beating ace high.

Hand 3 Stay away from those inside straits, they always get you in trouble
10-22-2008, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWee

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

the chance of one of them not holding a jack is C(15,2)/C(19,2) = 61.4%

Where do these numbers come from?

15 broadways that don't contain a jack, pick two of them, divide by the 19 broadways left in the deck, pick two.

But in general if you have two unpaired cards you hit a flop 30% of the time or so.
10-22-2008, 04:57 PM
MrWee

Gotcha, cheers