How bad is this River shove? 100NL

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10-13-2008, 12:16 AM
Sup3rM4N

How bad is this River shove? 100NL

Villain is 20/16/3.2 over 250+ hands. I haven't seen him do anything too crazy and haven't seen him make any moves. Only hand I can remember against him was when I PFR IP, cbet flop, check check turn, and he check called my river bet with AJ midpair on the flop.

I put him on like AJ/KJ or something and thought there is a good chance he might actually call with those hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($99.50)
Hero (Button) ($100)
SB ($131.55)
BB ($155.20)
UTG ($45.75)
MP ($164.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/th.gif
3 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/js.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.50, SB raises to $13, Hero calls $8.50

Turn: ($33) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/td.gif (2 players)
SB bets $17, Hero calls $17

River: ($67) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/tc.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $67 (All-In)
10-13-2008, 12:23 AM
Sup3rM4N

lol. Didn't realize i had exactly a PSB left. For some reason thought I had more......well this changes some things.
10-13-2008, 12:37 AM
grindwell

What's PSB? It's a good shove, I think you have the best hand.
10-13-2008, 12:47 AM
Sup3rM4N

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindwell

What's PSB? It's a good shove, I think you have the best hand.

Pot size bet.
10-13-2008, 12:55 AM
grindwell

What was the outcome? Just PM it, if you want to wait on feedback from other players.
10-13-2008, 01:03 AM
thizzSantaCruz

i like it
10-13-2008, 01:05 AM
al yell

- bet bigger on the flop (i like between $5 to $6)
- as played I'd prob fold to the flop raise given your read, plus you're not getting a great price to continue imo.
10-13-2008, 01:08 AM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindwell

What was the outcome? Just PM it, if you want to wait on feedback from other players.

You're thinking about poker wrong if you want to know the outcome of the hand.
10-13-2008, 01:08 AM
grindwell

Mystery Spot, woot! lol
10-13-2008, 01:30 AM
kmind

I'd bet a little bit more on flop but think your size is alright. This seems good as played, can we really b/f an amount? Plus this looks semibluffy. His turn bet scares me though betting so small. He seems content with his hand but I could be thinking too deeply plus others may think if he's more content he'd bet more but meh.
10-13-2008, 01:46 AM
thizzSantaCruz

i didnt see that we got raise, i thought we were the one doing the raising on the flop. I probably fold to the flop c/r but as played I think its good. He doesn't have a full house here that often.
10-13-2008, 02:15 AM
mcatdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz

i didnt see that we got raise, i thought we were the one doing the raising on the flop. I probably fold to the flop c/r but as played I think its good. He doesn't have a full house here that often.

You can't be serious, we have 8 clean outs to the nuts, we only need to make an average of $24 more when we hit the turn for calling the c/r to be profitable.
10-13-2008, 03:07 AM
Genitruc

There's a decent chance he also has trips with a hand like KT QT 8T or 7T and you beat most of those so I like the shove.
10-13-2008, 03:42 AM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz

i didnt see that we got raise, i thought we were the one doing the raising on the flop. I probably fold to the flop c/r but as played I think its good. He doesn't have a full house here that often.

I'd float the flop with KT let alone QT
10-13-2008, 03:43 AM
bigspenda73

of course the likelihood that I cbet KT here is small (my cbet% is significantly smaller than most)
10-13-2008, 01:06 PM
Galapogos

I like the flop bet size fwiw, as long as you don't use that same size for wetter flops. Somehow I get the feeling he's not calling a push. There's not busted draws for you to rep, a push is huge strength.
10-13-2008, 02:52 PM
nutsinho

flop is an obvious call and river is an obvious bet with shove probably being suboptimal.
10-13-2008, 03:16 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

flop is an obvious call and river is an obvious bet with shove probably being suboptimal.

This.

Turn call is really marginal because most of your outs are dirty or in plain sight.
10-13-2008, 04:38 PM
Sup3rM4N

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

shove probably being suboptimal.

How come? What would've been a better bet size and why?
10-13-2008, 04:39 PM
Sup3rM4N

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Turn call is really marginal because most of your outs are dirty or in plain sight.

Would you have called or let it go on the turn?
10-13-2008, 04:51 PM
nutsinho

i agree with fnord about turn too but im pretty indifferent/not nitpicky about that spot