JJ-Set on Flop

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10-08-2008, 11:02 AM
Sasquach991

JJ-Set on Flop

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00+$0.20 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO (t1325)
Button (t4145)
SB (t1470)
BB (t3240)
UTG (t620)
Hero (MP1) (t1250)
MP2 (t1450)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
UTG calls t20, Hero calls t20, 2 folds, Button calls t20, 1 fold, BB checks

Flop: (t90) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets t600 (All-In), Hero ???
10-08-2008, 11:17 AM
GatorJH

ewww and HELL YEA!!!

First raise pre-flop. You have a great hand that doesn't play as well in a multi-way pot as it does against a single villain.

Secondly I am snap shoving over this all-in. You have 46% equity against a range as tight at AcTc,Tc9c,QJo,T9o and even if you lose you still have enough chips to fight your way back into the tourney.
Secondly, why open shove? You have a great hand and are only vulnerable to a flush or str8. I bet
10-08-2008, 11:18 AM
tom

raise preflop
call or push the flop I don't think it matters too much as long as you don't fold
10-08-2008, 11:39 AM
GatorJH

off topic comment so sorry for the potential derail.

Tom, I was in Kohl's this weekend with the wifey and noticed a Longhorn hat (the simpe burnt orange one with logo on it) . I told her that I could be a Longhorn fan just because I think that logo and hat are the coolest ever.
10-08-2008, 11:44 AM
xX zorrito Xx

fold... he has qq...
10-08-2008, 11:46 AM
tom

the longhorn hand signal won me over I think, but if the hat and logo does it for ya then I could probably convert you with some sort of ritual + sacrifice

LongornJH has a nice ring to it no?
10-08-2008, 11:47 AM
GatorJH

lol

I'm not THAT committed though I may go buy they hat because it is soo cool.
10-08-2008, 11:56 AM
Sasquach991

Quote:

Originally Posted by xX zorrito Xx

fold... he has qq...

I thought about that too. But all he did was check pre-flop. Then again so did I, but I probably wouldn't have if I had QQ.

I was also thinking he was pushing because he was getting low on chips and it was very early in the game.
10-08-2008, 11:58 AM
GatorJH

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasquach991

I was also thinking he was pushing because he was getting low on chips and it was very early in the game.

How did he lose his chips? That may be valuable information that can give you a better idea of his range.
10-08-2008, 12:14 PM
Sasquach991

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasquach991

I was also thinking he was pushing because he was getting low on chips and it was very early in the game.

How did he lose his chips? That may be valuable information that can give you a better idea of his range.

About 6 hands earlier...
NOTE: I folded JJ

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00+$0.20 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1485)
CO (t790)
Button (t1470)
SB (t2430)
BB (t1480)
Hero (UTG) (t1320)
UTG+1 (t1525)
MP1 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
Hero calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, 3 folds, CO raises to t790 (All-In), 2 folds, BB calls t770, 2 folds

Flop: (t1630) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1630) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1630) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t1630

He was BB with As3s
Other player was CO with AdQd

I had'em with JJ but folded as this was about the 3rd hand.
10-08-2008, 12:53 PM
spoonitnow

Raise preflop then bet bet bet raise raise raise and call a shove.
10-08-2008, 01:27 PM
killerkebab

Fist. Pump. Shove.
He does not have QQ.
10-08-2008, 01:36 PM
GatorJH

Quote:

Originally Posted by killerkebab

Fist. Pump. Shove.
He does not have QQ.

this. If he does have QQ then timing sucks because based on the previous hand he is horribad
10-08-2008, 02:11 PM
Sasquach991

To see the outcome, go here and see Hand 4

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...se-t77182.html
10-08-2008, 02:49 PM
FlowJoe

Gator is correct. Re-raise. If he has q's it's a fluke. 5 times out of ten he has a q or an over pair though. You have no info pointing to fold!!
Joe
10-08-2008, 04:02 PM
xX zorrito Xx

by the way i was being sarcastic guys...
10-08-2008, 04:05 PM
donkbee

Quote:

Originally Posted by xX zorrito Xx

by the way i was being sarcastic guys...

bad idea in this forum.
10-08-2008, 07:18 PM
Thunder

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorJH

You have 46% equity against a range as tight at AcTc,Tc9c,QJo,T9o

Sorry to hijack but I get the feeling that I am missing such a large chunk of poker know how here.

1) How do you figure what your equity is? And can you do it on the fly, in game?

2) I have PokerStove but that's for actual hands - not ranges - isn't it?

3) In situations like this, though I could be up against a made straight (though doubtful 'cos of the all in) I'd take the risk. As for the flush draw, I'd figure that even if villain had 2 clubs, simple odds/outs tells me he's still a 65/35 underdog and so I'd call.

All in all I'm more than likely a big favourite - and it's a tourney too - so I call 'til the cows come home.

That's pretty much all I do to make my decision yet you talk about equity and being more considered. Am I performing a major disservice here?

Thx
10-08-2008, 07:22 PM
Stacks

Fwiw, you've posted two hands where you have limped with JJ. That's a leak.. You should be raising.

And thunder, Pokerstove can also be used for a range of hands.
10-08-2008, 07:33 PM
kmind

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlowJoe

5 times out of ten he has a q or an over pair though. You have no info pointing to fold!!
Joe

Those two sentences contradict yourself unless you left out crucial information in your first sentence.
10-08-2008, 07:36 PM
bjsaust

This is what in poker circles is refered to as an easy decision.
10-08-2008, 08:29 PM
martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsaust

This is what in poker circles is refered to as an easy decision.

lol irl
10-09-2008, 11:03 AM
Sasquach991

Sounds like I made the right decision...Allin...regardless of the outcome. That's what I really wanted to know.

I realize that I have limped in twice with JJ. From what I've read here and watching some of the videos, anything below AA and KK in the first levels, you limp in and look for a set. Am I wrong?
10-09-2008, 11:14 AM
Monty3038

Sasquach, you might be taking the JJ video advice a little too literal... that is if you are playing uber-tight... JJ is a good hand... you should be raising IMO... with JJ in any position but possibly UTG. UTG depends deeply on reads on players IMO
10-09-2008, 01:16 PM
martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasquach991

From what I've read here and watching some of the videos, anything below AA and KK in the first levels, you limp in and look for a set. Am I wrong?

this is something very early beginners might do, but once you get much experience at all you will realize that you are losing value by playing anything under KK for sets only.
10-09-2008, 04:18 PM
Sasquach991

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasquach991

From what I've read here and watching some of the videos, anything below AA and KK in the first levels, you limp in and look for a set. Am I wrong?

this is something very early beginners might do, but once you get much experience at all you will realize that you are losing value by playing anything under KK for sets only.

But I am the "very early beginner". At what point do I get promoted to "early beginner"?
10-09-2008, 05:01 PM
martindcx1e

umm how bout now?
10-09-2008, 08:13 PM
daven

Re: JJ-Set on Flop

raise pre-flop. As played it serves you right if you get stacked by 9T
10-10-2008, 11:28 AM
Sasquach991

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

umm how bout now?

Since you "promoted me", I used my promotion last night to start my "early beginner" methods and it went very well. I played 6 SNGs and was ITM 4/6 with 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 1st. One game was a Mixed SNG (Limit/No-Limit) which I accidentally entered and lost bad.
I found that the new technique caused my stack to be much larger early on so I wasn't trying to get back 10bbs at Level III/IV
I've never got 1st twice in one day. :lol:
Since Friday of last week, I'm up $16.50 in $1.20 SNGs
10-10-2008, 01:28 PM
martindcx1e

you're welcome
10-10-2008, 05:03 PM
Sasquach991

One other thing I forgot...

Thanks martindcx1e

Now if I start losing I have someone to blame :wink: