does anyone here fold?.. or should i have shoved the flop...

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saw flop | saw showdown

CO ($1.65)
Button ($1.49)
SB ($13)
BB ($9.83)
UTG ($5.13)
Hero (UTG+1) ($15.55)
MP1 ($16.59)
MP2 ($11.27)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qh.gif
UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, MP1 raises to $0.75, 6 folds, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.62) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/2d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qs.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9d.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, MP1 raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

at this point i put him on aces or kings and i was really telling myself... please don't let me see an ace or a king on the turn cause that's what i think he has... if he has kings then the ace will slow him down...

Turn: ($4.62) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ah.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $2.50, Hero raises to $5, MP1 raises to $7.50, Hero...

does anyone else here fold?..

Wow, I would actually fold here.

That said, re-raise the flop. Money is too deep to shove. So many cards will kill your action and it's pretty obvious what he has.

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Why did you bet such a small amount into the flop? PSB's make bigger pots, and there are a tiny few scare cards that can come that make your set look like its foldable.

And when your opponent raises, you really need to get it as close to AI as you possibly can, so the Ace gets paid off reguardless.

If you put him on aces or kings just shove the flop because he'll call or at least pop it up some

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Originally Posted by iopq

If you put him on aces or kings just shove the flop because he'll call or at least pop it up some

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I completely disagree.

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Originally Posted by spoonitnow

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Originally Posted by iopq

If you put him on aces or kings just shove the flop because he'll call or at least pop it up some

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I completely disagree.

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thank you sir....

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Originally Posted by Ragnar4

Moreover,

Why did you bet such a small amount into the flop? PSB's make bigger pots, and there are a tiny few scare cards that can come that make your set look like its foldable.

And when your opponent raises, you really need to get it as close to AI as you possibly can, so the Ace gets paid off reguardless.

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the purpose of the slightly less than half the pot bet in the flop was to confirm my instincts... he could've re raised me with TT, JJ, AK, AA, KK... clearly not QQ since there's one on the flop... if he popped me on the flop significantly then i'd know for sure he has aces or kings...

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Originally Posted by spoonitnow

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Originally Posted by iopq

If you put him on aces or kings just shove the flop because he'll call or at least pop it up some

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I completely disagree.

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I wrote that and THEN I saw the stack sizes
so then I went back and added the last part of the post

But is anyone really folding AA or KK in that spot after a normal raise? You can't really shove with those stack sizes, though

so is profit on later streets going to be on average higher? Let's plan the hand

Actually, here's how I would play it:

On the flop, I would check/raise. This is because if the villain has missed overcards and not AA/KK we want to get that flop bet out of him. There are two possibilities:

A) He 3-bets us because he thinks we have AQ or something.
B) He simply calls.

If the villain folds AA or KK here that's super easy to exploit. Just check/raise every hand.

Well, if he 3-bets us he's super-aggressive and we want to call. Probably get it in by the river with no problems.

If he calls our check/raise, he would have probably bet something like a dollar on the flop, we'd checkraise to about 3.50. That's putting a third of the our stack in. Then on a safe turn and river we can make two pot sized bets getting us all-in on the river.

Playing it by donking .50 cents is not good imo.

The flop bet isn't really that bad and gets more value from AK when you still have enough wiggle room to get KK+ to stack off later in the hand with PSBs.

I can see possibly getting it in before the turn. You got 3-bet OOP at $5NL which typically means AA/KK (occasionally QQ/JJ/AK) at this level. You flop a set of queens with the pot at $1.62. Can I ask why you under-bet this flop? Throw out a PSB. You currently hold the nuts and any bet will be representing the Q. If you bet the pot, we're looking at a pot size of $3.24. Then, if you get re-raised again (to 3x your bet) the pot would be $8.10. We've already committed half our stack if we just call. This is where Ild push over the top if the hand played out like this. But it didn't because you bet light on the flop.

Is there any reason why nobody seems to put the villain on AKs or AQs in diamonds? That gives him two overcards to the queen with AK, or top pair with the AQ, plus a nut flush draw.

The fact that the hero only called the pre-flop bet means he doesn't have kings or aces, but he could have put you on JJ or some high cards combination.

And his raise to 7,50 $ after the turn looks more like a value-bet than a tentative to scare you away from the pot.

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Originally Posted by SiCK_Boy

Is there any reason why nobody seems to put the villain on AKs or AQs in diamonds? That gives him two overcards to the queen with AK, or top pair with the AQ, plus a nut flush draw.

The fact that the hero only called the pre-flop bet means he doesn't have kings or aces, but he could have put you on JJ or some high cards combination.

And his raise to 7,50 $ after the turn looks more like a value-bet than a tentative to scare you away from the pot.

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Because you're bad
j/k :D

anyway, nobody would do something as retarded as min-raising a min-raise without the stone-cold nuts.

are people seriously suggesting folding?

This is $5nl. He could have anything - which yes includes AA, but FOLDING???

I could poss find a fold at $50nl, but no way at $5nl.

I'd shove over on turn. if he has AA shrug it off. Its a cooler.

And I'd have defo re-raised the flop.

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Originally Posted by WillburForce

are people seriously suggesting folding?

This is $5nl. He could have anything - which yes includes AA, but FOLDING???

I could poss find a fold at $50nl, but no way at $5nl.

I'd shove over on turn. if he has AA shrug it off. Its a cooler.

And I'd have defo re-raised the flop.

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Why shove over? Just flat his minraise and hope to hit quads :dance:

I respect spoonitnow's opinion obviously, but how can you even think about folding? AQ, or Ax with a flushdraw isn't that much less likely for him to have, and at this level he might very well just have a flushdraw.
There are many players at this level who only minraise, and obviously it's a great strategy against some guys because they will fold just about anything to a minraise.
How can you possibly ever put an unknown on such a tight range?

I'm not folding.

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Originally Posted by WillburForce

I could poss find a fold at $50nl, but no way at $5nl.

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Against more predictable opponents you find a fold here, independent of stakes. Against stronger and/or more erratic your opponents you can't ever fold this. That said, I'm almost always re-raising to commit on the flop.