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09-11-2008, 02:28 AM
Fnord

Qew Qew

UTG+1 is an unknown playing TAggy but bad
CO is unknown and seems kinda nitty/passive (21/14ish has yet to 3-bet)
BN is a pretty terrible fish.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($472.80)
UTG+1 ($140.65)
CO ($220.95)
BTN ($55.75)
Hero ($380.65)
BB ($180.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is SB :qs: :qh:
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $6, CO raises to $24, BTN calls $24, Hero calls $23, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $18

Flop: :7h: :8c: :5d: ($98, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 goes all-in $116.65, CO calls $116.65, BTN goes all-in $31.75, Hero folds
09-11-2008, 03:35 AM
Irisheyes

ya I guess. UTG+1 knows he's getting called, CO has loads to act behind him.
09-11-2008, 05:05 AM
Numbr2intheWorld

nh
09-11-2008, 09:17 AM
dalecooper

I'm all about that fold. Once in a while they all show down horseshit and leave you thinking "Damn I shoulda called!" - but you can't worry about that when it happens. Usually at least one of the bigger stacks here has you dead, and with the action there's a decent chance that both UTG+1 AND CO have you dead.
09-11-2008, 12:23 PM
Fnord

Wow, no one hating on my pre-flop call?
09-11-2008, 12:58 PM
dalecooper

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Wow, no one hating on my pre-flop call?

"CO is unknown and seems kinda nitty/passive (21/14ish has yet to 3-bet)"

Not really. I guess I don't know over how many hands you're talking about, but he doesn't seem like somebody I'd be eager to get it all in against with QQ/JJ. I don't mind playing pot control with those guys, with that hand - it's not bad to just call and plan on calling most flop bets, with the intent of really figuring things out on the turn. It also isn't a bad thing that you have a terrible short stack who is most likely going all in - CO's reaction to that will give you a ton of information about his holdings.
09-11-2008, 03:33 PM
cardsman1992

I was actually kinda curious about calling oop for sure.....I would lean toward a fold...but I'm a full ring nit.
09-11-2008, 03:47 PM
Fnord

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Originally Posted by cardsman1992

I would lean toward a fold...

I tanked. I think the biggest risk is the original PFR shoving over, absent that it's a pretty easy call. We have pretty goodish relative position to see if we want to commit with an overpair. If the 3-bet is from something like AK, he'll have to play his hand pretty straight forward multi-way.
09-11-2008, 04:03 PM
cardsman1992

Button call seems troubling to me. I guess you can discount AK/AA/KK there though, except for the fact you see him as a fish and fish love to tarp!!!!

I think c/f on that flop is prolly standard, you beat AK and 99-JJ and aren't in great shape against 66.
09-11-2008, 05:32 PM
dalecooper

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Originally Posted by cardsman1992

Button call seems troubling to me. I guess you can discount AK/AA/KK there though, except for the fact you see him as a fish and fish love to tarp!!!!

Button is a terrible fish who just called off half his tiny stack... I wouldn't give him credit for anything. He could have AA, 22, A6, or KJ.
09-11-2008, 05:45 PM
Warpe

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Wow, no one hating on my pre-flop call?

I'm calling all day with that many in and hoping to spike. NH.
09-11-2008, 05:45 PM
nutsinho

it's true that you'll usually get good info about CO's hand postflop but I would prefer to not have a calling range in this spot. not saying zomg 4b/call either; i think this could be a fold. QQ is the only viable hand to coldcall here other than maaaaaybe AKs to mix it up, and if your opponents are moderately aware of this you are going to get owned. So yeah, they are going to have to play more or less straightforward postflop but you just told them your hand preflop and you're out of position...
09-11-2008, 06:13 PM
Fnord

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Originally Posted by nutsinho

So yeah, they are going to have to play more or less straightforward postflop but you just told them your hand preflop and you're out of position...

Given that they don't have history, there are fish in the water and they will have to play straight-forward due to the fact we're multi-way with a low SPR, I don't mind playing a narrow range. Really the only suck is if the nit is good enough to get away from AA/KK when I spike a set.
09-11-2008, 06:37 PM
mcatdog

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Originally Posted by Warpe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Wow, no one hating on my pre-flop call?

I'm calling all day with that many in and hoping to spike. NH.

Calling to set mine is really bad, especially with QQ because you have exactly what a decent player would put you on and you might not even get paid off. Set mining with 66 is better than doing it with QQ here (both are bad though).
09-11-2008, 06:41 PM
Marshall28

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Originally Posted by mcatdog

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Originally Posted by Warpe

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Wow, no one hating on my pre-flop call?

I'm calling all day with that many in and hoping to spike. NH.

Calling to set mine is really bad, especially with QQ because you have exactly what a decent player would put you on and you might not even get paid off. Set mining with 66 is better than doing it with QQ here (both are bad though).

word.
09-11-2008, 11:37 PM
mg0698

Tough spot u could have 4 bet pre but looks like a fold as played but would be tough.