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"I can do my job there in developing our natural resources and doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded," she added. "But really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God."
i think i just puked in my mouth again
horrible
is this really the best republican candidate?
For some unknown reason, I was reading up on various Generals in Wikipedia today and saw that Colin Powell once called the Neocons in Bush's adminstration "fucking crazies".
So, to borrow from Powell, Palin is one of those fucking crazies.
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
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YES!!
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Vegas and Miami should be blue oases, ldo.Quote:
Originally Posted by swiggidy
Politics is gay imo.
my history teacher was talking today about the palin pick, and i actually agreed with him of why she was picked. it wasnt because shes a woman, its because shes far right socially, and the far right socials were lost to the republicans in 2000, which is basically the reason why bush won electoral, lost popular vote. so by this pick they are appealing to the far right and not women. it makes perfect sense when you think about it, because most any pro-life woman is voting republican anyways, and no pro-choice woman will be attracted to her, unless they are brain dead and dont know the issues at all.
idk just thought i would throw that out there.
agree
I am a christian , I dont advertise this, and certainly dont go around trying to preach to people, but Sarah Palin's statement here makes me wanna puke too... This statement just does not show any responsibility for a woman who is a governor. Religion does not belong in politics, period. Shame on Sarah Palin for not recognizing this.
I think her speech sucks.
YEA SHES SO DUMB WHY WOULD A POLITICIAN EVER SAY ANYTHING DESIGNED TO GET VOTES
THATD BE CRAZY WHAT A STUPID BITCH
She sounds like a chick giving a speech at a wedding.
cant...stand...her voice...must...push....mute....button...
A lot of digs and low blows...and goofy smug smiles and cheers from the audience at the lowest of those blows. It's pretty insulting, actually.
Meh. Red meat for the partisan crowd. The 9/11 mayor was doing much the same. The real campaign begins now. Can't wait for the debates.
First of all, I do am not a nationalist.
Secondly, is it a very bad thing that I know more about USA politics than I do about Canadian?
I thought Canada was a communist nation?
No, I think it still is.Quote:
Originally Posted by UG
what about it sucked? she sent a lot of zingers obamas way. i missed the first half, but i thought it was entertaining to say the least. she delivered it really well also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Massimo
also lol at complaining how her voice sounds. tonight was the first time i had actually seen her speak cause i havent seen cable the past few days, so i was expecting some exaggerated but slightly annoying voice. she sounds pretty normal to me. sounds like a wisconsin/minnesota accent, coincidentally. my guess is that if she were not an avid pro-life religious conservative and a pro-choice evolutionist liberal you wouldn't say that.
You know what that's what I like about her though. Her politics are her personal beliefs. She doesn't care about what impact it will have on peoples perception of her. Is there anything wrong with her stating her personal beliefs. She's just telling what she thinks and believes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdubs
You so silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigteif
her speech was pretty fucking good if you ask me. i dont agree with the god angle, but she seems like the most down to earth and normal of the 4 people running.Quote:
Originally Posted by Massimo
and lol at all the Obama scrote-hangers in this thread. That guy is such a joke and i fear for what our country will turn in to if hes elected.
fwiw I thought her speech was pretty good too, entertaining to say the least. and I'm an Obama-guy.
how fucking old did John McCain look when he came out at the end of the night? that dude is not making it through one term if he gets elected.
Palin kicked ass plain and simple. It is always the VP's job to be the attck dog and she did it with style. Hell, I imagine Hillary is even scared because she is the type of women that I can someday see in the White House. She seems damn real to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bode
And honestly, why the very mention of God freaks people out is beyond me. This country was founded on Christian principles and has become the greatest country in the world because of those principles. Someone tell me how exactly religion has ruined or made worse something in your life. Spoon I know your GF dad is a nut but he is hardly a rep. of Christians everywhere.
Everybody that says religion has no place in politics is naive. Religion is what makes up the core values of most of the people of this country. And don't give me any of that seperation of church and state BS. We all really know that was about not letting the goverment set up a national religion to tax the shit out of us. At no time did the founders of our country expect religion to be "outlawed" if you were involved in the process of running your town,city, state or the country as a whole.
People should be a whole less less concerned with where man came from and more worried about where we are going. So what if I believe in a God? Does that make me stupid? No more I would say then any of you so called evolution experts that claim you KNOW how everything came about. Science is an ever changing process and who knows what man will find out about 200 years from now. Judgemental and self absorbed people like you are what actually hold discovery back. Because you think you have it all figured out.
I know hundreds of people that go to church on a regular basis that I would trust with my life, my familys life. These are the same people that would probably risk there own life to save yours if the situation occured. Religion is what fostered that nature in the person. If you all think somehow thats horrible and should be chased out of any office of goverment then I would be VERY afraid to be in the country you envision it should be.
I stopped reading here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deuce Blue
Both Palin and Rudy ripped on the guy for being a community organizer from 1985 to 1988. Twenty years ago. How is that in any way a key issue in the Presidential race? It was a twisting of some facts and an ignorance of others...at the same age, Palin was a sports reporter. I agree she did well at slamming the Dems. But the mud slinging is tiring and gives an incorrect message to those too lazy/stupid/unwilling to investigate further.
Because he has never ran a town, a city or a state. And now he wants to run the most powerful country on earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
See, now that point has merit. But that's not how it was presented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deuce Blue
Rudy: "He was a Community Organizer" *laughs*
Audience: *laughs hard*
Rudy: "That's the first problem with his resume" *more laughing*
Wait, wat? Yeah, community service in your early 20s is a real bad idea. Palin's speech was similar.
Obama hasn't ever run a town of 6500 or a city or a state and, like I said, it's a very fair point that he has no executive experience in government. But that point can be made without sinking to childish insults, right?
Most presidents were not governors.
let's start with this one right here. A little quote from a treaty with Tripoli from 1796 that was drafted under George Washington and signed by John Adams, two of those founders you are talking about:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deuce Blue
"As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."
How about Jefferson and his agnosticism?
"To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say that they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise."
He goes on to say that he does not concern himself with things which may be, but for which there is no evidence.
And to say that a scientist who believes in evolution is slowing progress because they do not question evolution is stupid, even moreso when it comes from someone who would likely argue the alternative, that god did it all. that is the answer that stifles all progress, because if there is ever anything that you don't know, it's jesus. Why is the sky blue, god. Why does the earth revolve around the sun the way it does, god. Why anything is the way it is, god.
last couple of things, please detail John Mccain's executive experience for me, as well as the record of Sarah Palin while she was in office in Alaska. What exactly has she done there? As George W. Bush has shown us, the simple act of being elected as a Governor is not enough to show that you can actually run a country. He was a Governor, and not a very good president. I would imagine that a lot of knowledge regarding the financial system, foreign policy, and diplomacy, amongst you and your close advisors would be a hell of a lot better than that I was governor of a state for 1 term where I totally fucked shit up. But maybe that's just me.
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Originally Posted by UG
Neither has McCain! This whole executive experience argument is dumb when your candidate has spent the past 40 years in the senate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deuce Blue
This was just insulting. Obama took a low-paying job to help poor and working-class people and twenty years later the elitist prick Republicans get a big laugh out of it at their convention. WTF? I enjoyed Palin's speech but Giuliani came off like the asshole he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
I personally dislike the mention of god in politics and/or sports not only for what it stands for, but also because that I'd prefer that it not be as socially acceptable. Which brings me to your next point-- I think this way because of the negative effects of religion on so many people. Now I'm a well-off, tall, straight, white male raised in a religious household, so I can hardly say that my life has been ruined or made worse by religion (except that whole UIGEA thing-- that definitely hurt).Quote:
And honestly, why the very mention of God freaks people out is beyond me. This country was founded on Christian principles and has become the greatest country in the world because of those principles. Someone tell me how exactly religion has ruined or made worse something in your life. Spoon I know your GF dad is a nut but he is hardly a rep. of Christians everywhere.
Great example of a group who are far worse off because of religion and the bible: Gays. It's so obvious and overwhelming that it doesn't need to be explained further.
Edited to add: also, in what way are we the greatest country on earth? I ask this mostly just out of curiosity, because I was always told this at home and in school when I was younger. Now don't get me wrong, I like the USA.. it's been good to me. I just wonder why you think we are the best? We are definitely the best at war, but why else?
The tax angle is interesting, but really, it was set up because the founding fathers were smarter than people give them credit for, and they did not want a religious cult determining the laws and values of the country. Unfortunately that has happened to an extent, though unofficially. Religion should have no place in politics, absolutely not. I have no problem with others practicing religion so long as it doesn't affect others, and you know very well that's not the case.Quote:
Everybody that says religion has no place in politics is naive. Religion is what makes up the core values of most of the people of this country. And don't give me any of that seperation of church and state BS. We all really know that was about not letting the goverment set up a national religion to tax the shit out of us. At no time did the founders of our country expect religion to be "outlawed" if you were involved in the process of running your town,city, state or the country as a whole.
I know plenty of smart people that believe in god. You can brainwash people at a young age to believe anything, doesn't make them stupid. Speaking of 'smart people' (define that however you want), how many would legitimitely come to the belief that there's a god had they not been introduced to the concept and brainwashed into believing in him with torturous and everlasting consequences should they disagree? How many are led to believe that yet still become agnostic/athiest? Not even going to go into the whole evolution thing and I wish I hadn't got into the whole god thing. Read a book on evolution is my advice, and don't try to refute every point with cherry-picked, illogical examples from the bible.Quote:
People should be a whole less less concerned with where man came from and more worried about where we are going. So what if I believe in a God? Does that make me stupid? No more I would say then any of you so called evolution experts that claim you KNOW how everything came about. Science is an ever changing process and who knows what man will find out about 200 years from now. Judgemental and self absorbed people like you are what actually hold discovery back. Because you think you have it all figured out.
ABSOLUTELY, there are tons of great people that go to church on a regular basis. I know many. I'd like to believe those many people feel the same way about myself (I think they do), and yet I obviously do not go to church. Sorry but the idea that religion fosters terrific people and the implication that those that choose not to believe in god are therefor bad people is laughable, at best.Quote:
I know hundreds of people that go to church on a regular basis that I would trust with my life, my familys life. These are the same people that would probably risk there own life to save yours if the situation occured. Religion is what fostered that nature in the person. If you all think somehow thats horrible and should be chased out of any office of goverment then I would be VERY afraid to be in the country you envision it should be.
also, OP doesn't bother me a ton-- the religious angle is by far my biggest pet peeve about the republican party but this is nothing new.
I don't like either party right now.
For making a political speech, Palin delivered the goods, cheap shots and outright distortions not withstanding. You can see where the Republicans are going though...raise fears about national security, energy independece aka "drill, baby, drill", and raise fears that the Dems will raise taxes. It's what she didn't talk about that's more interesting...
Like I said, the debates are where the rubber will hit the road.
Also, Obama is on O'Reilly tonight, so we should get some idea of how the Dems are going to push back.
I love politics.
I agreed with everything you said, until this. :DQuote:
I love politics.
I really don't want to get into a partisan debate on this election. I for one hate the 2 party system. I wish everyone could judge the people running by what they bring to the table instead of judgeing them because they walk behind the banner of the elephant or donkey. But we have what we have. But I do hope people actually take interest in this election and try to become informed and vote for who you feel is best for the country.
McCain is not Bush, Obama is not Clinton.
John McCain has showed a bravery and love of country that cannot be dismissed. I wonder how many of us would have been able to say no to going home from the Hanoi Hilton when given the chance. Does this make him deserving to be presiden? No. Has he done things in his political career that make him worthy of being PresidenT? I think so. And by his actions in his early days does he have the convictions and heart to be the president. I believe yes.
As for Obama. I admire his work in his younger days in Chicago. I believe he is a genuinely good man with good intentions. BUT....what has he done in his political career that makes him ready to lead the USA? Someone in the Obama camp please tell me some legislation he has fought for that impacted this country? Tell me a law he has sponsored that has impacted this country. Tell me some battle he has fought that left party lines behind and fought for what he believed in. Tell me a good reason WHY he is the right man for the job. He wants "change", great, what does that mean? He wants medical coverage for everyone, great, where is that money coming from? And on and on... Obama is a great speaker but when he gets elected the talking ends and the business begins. Why do you people feel he is ready.
Democrats love to talk about going after the rich and the corporations. Believe me the rich pay a HUGE share of the tax burden as it is. American corporations pay the biggest taxes of any country in the free world.Why do we feel the need to punish those that are succesful. Alot of those people made their money through their own hard work and toil. Now they should have to pay for everyone else that would rather sit at home and watch Oprah and get their checks every month while pumping out kids to continue the cycle. Not I know this does not speak of everyone that is poor but hit your damn local Wal-mart and tell me it isn't out there. I believe in helping those in need but not supporting them for the rest of their lifes.
There needs to be alot of changes in this country. Loopholes that need to be closed, wasteful spending and special interest groups that only are watching out for themselves. BOTH parties have been guilty of running this country down, its up to US, the American people to get someone in office that can change that. To me that means less goverment, less programs, less tax burden. Let America's free enterprise system work. The last fucking place I want to be putting more money is into the goverments hands. People live every year having to balance a budget, goverment doesn't seem to be able to do that. Until some of the BS politics as usual get cleaned up I'll be damned if I want to give more of my paycheck to be wasted.
Listen to the debates, research the issues and both sides stand on them. Then make the choice you feel is best.
Again, the saddleback Forum was the best taste yet of the two men and where they stand. Link is below to watch the whole thing.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/...rum/index.html
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Democrats love to talk about going after the rich and the corporations. Believe me the rich pay a HUGE share of the tax burden as it is. American corporations pay the biggest taxes of any country in the free world.Why do we feel the need to punish those that are succesful. Alot of those people made their money through their own hard work and toil. Now they should have to pay for everyone else that would rather sit at home and watch Oprah and get their checks every month while pumping out kids to continue the cycle. Not I know this does not speak of everyone that is poor but hit your damn local Wal-mart and tell me it isn't out there. I believe in helping those in need but not supporting them for the rest of their lifes.
There needs to be alot of changes in this country. Loopholes that need to be closed, wasteful spending and special interest groups that only are watching out for themselves. BOTH parties have been guilty of running this country down, its up to US, the American people to get someone in office that can change that. To me that means less goverment, less programs, less tax burden. Let America's free enterprise system work. The last fucking place I want to be putting more money is into the goverments hands. People live every year having to balance a budget, goverment doesn't seem to be able to do that. Until some of the BS politics as usual get cleaned up I'll be damned if I want to give more of my paycheck to be wasted.
People need to realize that the economy is not a zero-sum game; i.e. one person's gain is not necessarily another person's loss. This is probably my biggest beef with democrats-- villainizing successful people.
warpe is the obama on the oreilly factor going to be like the interview he had with hillary and mccain?
It's airing an hour before McCain's speech. Dunno more than that.
I think the upcoming congressional race is about 400x more important than this presidential one.
I think I'm voting Barr.
she presented a very good speech written by the best speech writers the republican party had to offer. She did much better than I thought she would. Not getting into the religious debate going on here though.
hey warpe, who you voting for?
lol
I wish I could. That's why the Republicans will never annex Canada, 'cause most of us would vote Democrat.Quote:
Originally Posted by givememyleg
unquestioned nationalistic pride, Lukie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
I recommend you Confessions of an Economic Hit Man (ISBN 0-452-28708-1), written by John Perkins
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Originally Posted by Lukie
yup.
Islamic republic, anyone?
Some stuff to note:-Quote:
Originally Posted by Deuce Blue
- The rich pay a huge share of the tax burden because they have the most money
- Those who make a lot of money do so through having a market cornered. I favour nationalisation, which means that you pay more taxes but you don't have to pay a fuckload of money for living essentials, only to see your money shipped off to Saudi Arabia (democratic patriotism anyone?)
Q: What's the difference between Sarah Palin and an old-style GOP crony?
A: Lipstick.