WTF am I putting him on?

Opponent is 37/4 with odd fits of aggression. Turn action makes me feel dirty.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
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6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($205.70)
UTG+1 ($283.60)
CO ($327.75)
BTN ($329.35)
SB ($314.45)
BB ($251.80)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is UTG :kd: :qd:
Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, BTN calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: :9s: :td: :kh: ($15, 2 players)
Hero bets $10, BTN calls $10

Turn: :5c: ($35, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $8, Hero raises to $32, BTN raises to $66, Hero calls $34

River: :2c: ($167, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $78, Hero folds

nutter butters

Why did you call the turn 3ball? I can't see him ever 3balling worse here . .

probably just bet fold the turn, why did you check?

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Originally Posted by Ash256

Why did you call the turn 3ball? I can't see him ever 3balling worse here . .

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I'm guessing Fnord views four jacks as golden outs, which means given the fairly inviting pot odds (~ 4:1) and lots of money behind (~ $120), and factoring in that very occasionally he's still ahead and button is just playing KJ like a douchebag, a call might be OK.

However, I think I'd just let it go here. The situation is too sketchy for my tastes unless I've got a specific read on his "odd fits of aggression" that says he might be doing this with something stupid.

Anyone else lead the turn for like $20 with plans to fold to a raise/check the river?

I would bet turn, now that villain makes this smallbet/reraise line, this usually means a huge strength so I would fold.

Yes, I concur. That is precisely how I see many an idiot play the niznuts.

Calling this turn OOP and then c/f blank river seems like pretty big spew imo

Probably just fold to his turn repop or just go with the hand by shoving or c/c on river or something.

I'd prob just barrel turn anyhow.

checkraising the turn is worse than b/f and c/c vs almost anyone. Was your plan to c/c turn, and upon seeing this weakass bet trying to immediately get additional value? I think you should only call no matter what he bets if you decide not to barrel, and possibly lead/fold good rivers. When you c/r turn, at least 4 bets are going into the pot postflop unless river somehow goes check-check, and that generally means TPGK is not a favorite at showdown.

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Originally Posted by nutsinho

When you c/r turn, at least 4 bets are going into the pot postflop unless river somehow goes check-check, and that generally means TPGK is not a favorite at showdown.

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I don't mean to butter your nuts here, but that's a fascinating thought. I've never looked at a poker hand from that exact angle, although obviously it's kissing cousin to a lot of textbook strategy. Neat.

On a related note then, how would you feel about the way I played this hand? Stacks are 100 BBs. Button is TAggy and seems very aware of the power of position. Button raises to 3 BBs pre-flop; I re-raise to 10 BBs with KK, and he calls.

Flop is Q9x with two hearts (I don't hold a heart). I lead for 3/4 pot, and he calls.

Turn is a low blank. I check, he bets 3/4 pot, and I raise all in. He insta-folds.

Good or no? Is KK much different from AQ here? I guess if he happens to have AQ I might stack him; that's probably the principle difference (and I figure that AQ is probably a decent chunk of his range after the flop). I felt like his range was made up principally of three hand categories: AQ/KQ (hands I can extract value from); 99/xx (hands that will get my stack if he plays them right); air (because I know he likes to float). vs. the first group I'm better off barrelling away. vs. the third I like giving him at least one bluffing opportunity. vs. second, it probably doesn't matter a whole lot how I play it. I don't credit him with a lot of draws because I think he raises the flop a lot with the good ones.

(Sorry to post-jack, I just find this subject interesting.)

million percent dont check raise turn, bet like 24 on turn and fold to a raise. as played definitely fold to his min reraise on turn, hes gots da nuts.

I mean c/r is horrible here versus 99.9% of people, but versus that .1% I'd say I'm never planning on folding.

I'd probably either b/f or b/s turn.

I think he only c/r'ed b/c of the bet size, I'm thinking Fnord's intention might have been to c/c a normal sized turn bet

I'm a rookie and probably results oriented in my thinking. By the time he 3bets the turn it's a fold to me. The weak bet is a check-with-a-chip move or whatever it's called to give you a second chance to bluff at the pot. Or a suck bet if you will. I think it actually means strength quite often - his noobie brain might be thinking that he wants money in the pot, but if he bets big you might just fold and then he wins a small pot. It's not really a credible bluff, so he can't be expecting you to be considering a fold. Does he want you to call or raise?

I see it as a good spot for pot control. I'd call his weak bet, making a pot of $53 and on this river if I check I'd probably call a bet. If he pots it I'll have to weigh his range towards QJ or T9. I might fold to a bigger bet. Odd bits of aggression in the read really mandates that I call anything lower than $70 or so, due to the suggested bluff frequency - but I'd be happiest if his bet is below $40, and not too unhappy for it to go check/check. It's possible to lead $35 or something and then fold to a raise, but I tend to lean in favour of check/calling because it closes the action and I'm not at all sure what he's playing and I want to be able to close the action while the pot is small. I wouldn't feel too bad about winning a small pot here.

if im checkraising this turn, its because i think i can induce a bluff and get all in w/ villain drawing close to dead. u r repping such a ridiculously strong range when u checkraise this turn that when you are holding a hand like KQ you have purely a bluff catcher hoping that he thinks u r bluffing and will jam w/ air/some kind of weak draw or call down w/ an even worse bluff catching hand thinking u have nothing. villain has to think u r really FOS already for this play to be any good at all.

I checked the turn because I thought my opponent would bet his entire range and it would save me from getting raised off a really good hand.

When he bet small I put him on a worse King and wanted more money in the pot. That went well..