Advice on another micro hand

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08-19-2008, 12:51 AM
Biglines

Advice on another micro hand

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($1)
Button ($5.32)
Hero ($2.01)
BB ($2.33)
UTG ($7.09)
MP ($5.62)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.02. MP posts a blind of $0.02.
UTG raises to $0.1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.18, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.08.

Flop: ($0.42) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.4, UTG calls $0.40.

Turn: ($1.22) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero ???

Final Pot: $1.22

What should I be doing here on the turn - check folding, or should I be making some sort or bet in order not to show weakness? Only been at the table for a couple of the hands but the villain seems pretty loose, and am pretty sure that he will make a largish bet if I check here.
08-19-2008, 02:45 AM
OhBollocks

For starters I'd be raising more preflop. You gave him nice odds to call you with his whole range. I'd be making it more like 30c. You'll be OOP for the hand so taking it down pf is nice. Also, if he calls a 30c bet, youll be able to narrow his range down quite a bit.

As played, I dont know what your best option on the turn is. Im sure others will though :)
08-19-2008, 03:57 PM
sarbox68

my noobie 2cents...

1) pre-flop, 3-bet like you gotta pair ... esp oop for the rest of the hand. I'd go to .35
2) I'd psb the flop... which would be a around .70 (loose maths...)

You give no reads. So if he still flats you he could have a lot of stuff... 6x, TT, AK, AT,KT,QT, JT, KK, AA, JJ (with no reads can't assume he'd raise you here...) or a flush draw off of Kx, Qx or Ax (AQ, AJ) sooted (or some other diamond suited connectors or gappers...)

When the turn drops, you're now losing to a pretty big part of that range. Flush draw hit, Kx hit, TT or 6x is still beating you. you're ahead of some of the Tx hands, JJ and crap. Plus you have only two outs to improve.

Without reads, I will prolly bet/fold around .8. Might be enuff to kick him out if he's not holding the flush and fold out JJ and Tx hands. If the River bricks, I'd prolly check/call a smallish bet. Much else I'm folding ... he likes his hand and you've only got a 2nd pair. But I am a nit. :shock:
08-19-2008, 04:33 PM
wellrounded08

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarbox68

1) pre-flop, 3-bet like you gotta pair ... esp oop for the rest of the hand. I'd go to .35

Lol, I love reading sarbox' replies. I click on anyone I see you posted on sar.

Ok, I'm going to throw out my little fishy opinion. I'm going to assume that you know anything I know.
Betting big was an issue for me(as you might have noticed on some of my posted hands. But more recently I've discovered how effective it is, how VITAL it is. Say you triple his bet preflop and he pushes All in, assuming he's a half decent player you now know ALOT more than you did before. Anyway, in general, I have become much less afraid of betting big. The fact is if I PSB like 1.00 and get a call or a raise, I know alot more than if I had thrown out 30 cents. I end up loosing ALOT less money, because I'm not afraid to get away from a reraise after a bet like that. Anyway, like I said you may easily been aware of that, if so, just assume I'm talking to hear myself talk.
08-20-2008, 06:17 AM
littleogre

raise more pf and river looks like a bet fold to me.
08-20-2008, 06:24 AM
littleogre

Also the hand in the op brings up a question i have been meaning to ask. Was watching a vid at pokertube the other day and 2 dudes played a hand. The flop was paired and the 1st to act lead out with a pair in the hole. The announcer said this was a terrible play. He said that you should always check a pair in that spot. Ok why ?
08-20-2008, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by littleogre

Also the hand in the op brings up a question i have been meaning to ask. Was watching a vid at pokertube the other day and 2 dudes played a hand. The flop was paired and the 1st to act lead out with a pair in the hole. The announcer said this was a terrible play. He said that you should always check a pair in that spot. Ok why ?

OK that's not enough information
for me anyway

did he have an overpair? smaller pair than the non-paired card? Bigger pair than the non-paired card?
08-20-2008, 08:31 AM
littleogre

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Quote:

Originally Posted by littleogre

Also the hand in the op brings up a question i have been meaning to ask. Was watching a vid at pokertube the other day and 2 dudes played a hand. The flop was paired and the 1st to act lead out with a pair in the hole. The announcer said this was a terrible play. He said that you should always check a pair in that spot. Ok why ?

OK that's not enough information
for me anyway

did he have an overpair? smaller pair than the non-paired card? Bigger pair than the non-paired card?

He had 66 and the flop was 88x. Anyway the annoucer said that you make more money by check calling and snapping off bluffs then by value beting.
08-20-2008, 09:23 AM
oskar

Raise .35ish pre-flop, bet the flop strong, then you'll pretty much have to shove the turn, because you'd have to call anyway if he bets given the odds.
As played I would still bet 1/2 of the pot on the turn. Most of the time you still have the best hand. I would continue with caution but don't just give up the hand.
Against a very weak tight player I might check it. Against someone who picks up on weakness this would be terrible. I don't know how many pots I've picked up with a flush draw - and 4 to a straight came off and the aggressor shut down on the turn or river, and I took the pot away.
This hand is also a prime example why it sucks being out of position! Not your fault though.
But it won't hurt you if you never ever min-raise again pre-flop.
08-20-2008, 04:06 PM
Biglines

Cool thanks for the replies.

Another question:

If Im holding QQ and make a large raise pre, and the villain puts in such as a large raise that Im sure he will call if I shove - is it worth my while to do so?

This question only applies to microstakes hand (ie players will call a shove pre with trash), where you have no reads on the villain. What would you consider the average calling range to be for your typical micro donk?

As far as range goes I would be thinking something like JJ+, AQo+ or maybe a bit wider ??
08-21-2008, 06:10 PM
littleogre

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biglines

Cool thanks for the replies.

Another question:

If Im holding QQ and make a large raise pre, and the villain puts in such as a large raise that Im sure he will call if I shove - is it worth my while to do so?

This question only applies to microstakes hand (ie players will call a shove pre with trash), where you have no reads on the villain. What would you consider the average calling range to be for your typical micro donk?

As far as range goes I would be thinking something like JJ+, AQo+ or maybe a bit wider ??

are you asking wether or not you should raise if the villan will call anyway ?