Uber Rake affecting winrate??

Im currently grinding $10NL on FT. The rake on$10NL pots there is 10% whereas elsewhere, or at FT above $10NL its only 5%. Ive still got another $110 bonus to earn which is why Im playing there.

My question is, is this 10% rake altering my ptbb/100?

My sample size is quite small (11k hands) so my winrate is still up and down but it averages 4ptbb/100. Ive won $80 clear and paid $186 in rake along the way. But, if I was only paying 5% instead of 10% (lets say $106instead of $186) that would take my winnings up to $160. This implies that my actual winrate is in fact 8ptbb/100.

Is this right or am I missing something?

If your question is does PokerTracker deduct rake from your winnings prior to calculating PTBB/100 then I'm pretty much 100% sure the answer is no. The rake obv affects your net take-home, and PT calculates and tracks rake as separate data point. Be sure you sign up from rakeback if you haven't already. As you're noticing, it can start to add up over time, even at the micros...

sarbox68 - you're pretty exactly wrong. Winnings and ptbb/100 are calculated on the difference between what you put in the pot and take away from the pot - when pots are given to you rake has been deducted. PT does not manually deduct it from your winnings - but it's basing winnings on a number that is already less rake.

So yeah if the math is right (didn't check) your win rate with a normal rake would be 8 ptbb/100. Also if you have rakeback your win rate becomes maybe 10 ptbb/100.

Well hash brown my weasel... This sh!t straight? All this time I've been thinking the PTBB showing in PT is pre-rake... :shock:

It was interesting to me when I looked at the summary tab to see that the average player loses over 3.5ptbb/100h. That's all rake.

play at stars the rake is half that of tilt. Not sure if it is this low though. Higher, rake is alot lower at stars.

This is part of why I suggest new players play at PokerStars first. There's a thread on it I've made recently in this forum that covers other reasons.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es-t74689.html

cuz Spoony fails at self-promotion. You really need to work on that.

Thanks Erpel, I was hoping to have this confirmed.

Yeah Spoon, your point for point plan for starting off and moing up is wicked. I started @FT before I read your guide, but at least Ive signed up for rakeback :)