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I have seen conflicting stuff on this topic. When playing at micro games under .25 cents. Ring games is it better to sit down with the min or should you sit down with the max saying you are playing properly with your br. I sit down with the min. so if i get sucked out on early it is just the min. to loose. what is the general census. on this.
Don
If you sit down with the min, and you catch a pair of pocket aces, how much can you win?
What if you sit down with the max.. how much can you win then?
If you're serious about making as much money as quickly as possible, play at a table a little worse than your skill level with max buy-in
Seriously, who goes to a table planning to lose?
Whatever your stack is in relation to the blinds changes the game you are playing. It will have a huge effect on which cards you should be playing and how you should play them.
Playing the shorter stacks is generally simpler than playing the deeper stacks.
It is generally agreed that deep stacks afford you more risk and more learning opportunities.
Whatever stack size you decide to play you should probably be consistent with - as one lesson you learn at one stack size may not translate directly to playing a different stack size.
Most of the posters and the advice you get on this forum will expect you to be playing a 'full' stack of 100bb. The advice you get will be mostly applicable to 100bb play and if you play mainly 20bb you will occasionally receive advice that will be outright wrong.
This is the worst attitude to have dude. Getting sucked out on is part of the game. Don't play poker like it's scared money on the table. If you're not comfortable buying in for 100BB and playing for stacks, move down a level or learn how to short-stack properly and for the right reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigstock2001
Look at this way. Buying in for 20BB, you're going to be looking to shove with strong top pair hands and up, most likely by the turn. Sometimes top pair wins, sometimes it doesn't. But you won't have the stack behind you to think about that so you just shove it in and hope for the best. There's obviously more to short-stacking than this but hopefully you get the point.
I have no Idea what limits your playing, maybe you've said it, I just didn't catch it. Anyway at 2nl here's what I've heard on buying in amounts:
Fnord quote-(paraphraseing) "I think BI for the max is just about chest thumping anyway.
Spoon quote-(again, paraphrasing) "At 2nl, buy in for 2 dollars. not because of short-stacking or anything like that, simply because you need to get used to playing with 200xBB at higher stakes."
(I'm going to go double check that right now, but that's the extent of my knowledge on the subject. I still strugle with wanting to Max BI 2nl so...
Ohh, and Suckouts are part of the game, that means you played well but were beat blah blah blah.Look around you'll hear that constantly here.(for the right reasons obviously.)
100bb stacks btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by wellrounded08
And I think Fnord's comments are actually to state that there is nothing inherently wrong with choosing to play with 20bb or 50bb even though 100bb is considered standard - not specifically having to do with the ability to buy in for 250 or 200bb at 2nl and 5nl on Stars.
Thanks for the advice that is how i use to play with buy in for the max and try and play solid poker I got some advice from here a couple of days ago and I thought that was what the person was saying buy in for the min. and play solid poker so you don't double up the horrible donks, this concept came from and this was how I rationalized the advice was at this low limit game you are usually put in a situation that solid hands struggle against do to the fact that all the pots are multi pots. I am saying it has been working so far but I am only in about 20 sessions using this advice. I am going to change gears for awhile and see if the situation changes any, thanks
Don
lol, yeah my bad. .02, and 2$, TWO many TWO's :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Erpel
That's very possible Erpel, I could have easily taken fnords comment out of context. You hear that Big?
Ya I have seen several others that are doing this same thing on the site i am going to. I know they are good cuz i have set down with them every night this week and seen them win on multiple tables I have played. So I know that this system does work cuz in the last sessions i have ran good but i think it only works at a micro game table. I planned on moving up to bigger games as my br grows and my experience grows. So i should be playing the same way as i would up there as far as this question goes. I think that is basically what is being said. Thanks
Don
just read the stickies here in this forum. focus on BR management.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigstock2001
if you sit with the min, you are not maximizing your winnings against these awful players. variance happens whether you are playing deep or shallow.
if you must play short-stacked, do some reading on that, too. the philosophies change a bit. personally, i dont see the need for donkey devastation at the microstakes, and i doubt we'll find anyone here that would support a "short-stacked, hit-n-run" strategy anyway.
good luck, though, with whatever you decide.
fwiw big, I think I read that you were playing out of your BR in another thread? You said you started with like $5-$7 or so and worked your way up to a $111 or so BR playing 10nl and that now your playing 25nl and that your wanting to move up to 50nl soon but need just a little more BR? If that's correct you are playing way underrolled and will probably go busto. Just thought that needed to be pointed out, so maybe you can correct it.
Also as far as the table buyin this is the way I think about it. If you feel you are the best player at the table, then buyin for 100bb because you want to be able to cover the players that you are better than so you can extract more money off of them. If you feel you are not the best, then you have a mathematical advantage shortstacking. This isn't to say that all shortstackers play inferior poker to fullstackers, but if I have a chance to cover a big fish I would.
While true this only works if you know how to play a short stack correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Isn't it easier to shortstack than it is to fullstack?Quote:
Originally Posted by Erpel
It is - and just because it's easier doesn't mean you can't do it wrong. Most people you play against who are playing short stacks are playing them wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragnar4
Euphorism had a great shorting thread going. and, Fnord had a super half-stacking post.
if you want to learn the right way, i would suggest doing a search for those.
but, tip #1. dont play 67s anymore.
2 BB's is more than enough, if you need more then you suck at poker.